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My Experience Living With Pancreatitis

Updated on August 23, 2017

Disclaimer

I am not a doctor. I am not a PhD. I didn't even attend college. If you use any of this material you do so at your own risk.

Read everything on this page. If you need to leave, bookmark the page or better yet email the link to yourself and place it in a folder named "Living With Pancreatitis" so that you can easily find it. The reason you'll want to do that is because I seriously doubt you will find this kind of in-depth, from-the-horses-mouth kind of information about living with pancreatitis anywhere else on the net unless it is one of my sites.

But Why Listen to Me About Pancreatitis?

Just because I am living with pancreatitis doesn't mean you should listen to me. I may have been living with pancreatitis for over 30 years, but that simply means I could be a lucky idiot; length of time in the saddle certainly doesn't mean I am a skilled rider does it? So, what is the real reason you might be interested in listening to me? You may want to listen to me because...

I Am Pain- and Symptom-Free

That is the most important reason. I was given the drive to uncover the formula, the secret to healing. If you are looking for information about how to beat pancreatitis and live pain-free I will give you what I learned for free.

The information you'll read on this page is not from someone who has simply read about the condition in order to gather the information necessary to write an article. This information is from someone who has been diagnosed with pancreatitis, lived with the condition for a long time, and has found ways to adapt, improvise, and overcome.

Pancreatitis Is Not an Illness to Take Lightly Because It Can Kill You

Sure the "overall" death rate from acute pancreatitis may average out at less than 10 percent, but if you are one of the unlucky 10 percent that would certainly suck wouldn't it? Complications such as necrosis, infection (necrotizing pancreatitis), hemorrhage, and organ failure can rocket that percentage of death up to 50 percent. The damage caused by acute pancreatitis often leads to chronic pancreatitis, causing long-term suffering that can make one wish they had died.

Are you living with pancreatitis? If you have been diagnosed with acute and/or chronic pancreatitis, want to prevent more acute pancreatitis attacks along with the resulting damage, lessen your pain and other symptoms without narcotics and possibly heal your pancreas, well, this may be the article you've searched high and low for.

This article contains information on:

  • My personal pancreatitis story (big deal right?)
  • How to stop an acute pancreatitis attack in less than 90 minutes
  • What foods are safe to eat and those that will make you sick
  • Why you should drink grapefruit juice, if possible
  • The five supplements that may change your life

And much more.

Why I Want to Share This Information:

After gathering tons of information via research, and successfully becoming pain- and symptom- free, I was asked to share what I have learned; so I created this page. I gathered this pancreatitis information in one place for people who are suffering from pancreatitis themselves, or who have a loved one who is.

As you read through this article, you will find information about symptoms, my experience with doctors and what I think of most of them, the possible complications of the condition, and the primary and secondary causes. You'll also discover what I have learned through experience about such things as diet, alternative home remedies and supplements, and my own mandatory regimen I follow in order to make living with pancreatitis a lot easier, and I think safer, with less possiblity of horrific complications.

So sit back, relax, grab a cup of joe to enjoy while you and I explore the in's and out's of living with pancreatitis.

My Pancreatitis Story

If my pancreatitis was caused due to a football injury, it is my fault I have the condition because I made what turned out to be a very serious mistake.

I was playing center linebacker for my high school team when the injury happened. The fullback had the ball. He came through the line, head lower than mine, (dummy me), and when we hit, his helmet smashed into my gut. About 200 pounds of charging meat smashing into my gut at full bore. I did make the tackle but he tagged me hard just below the rib cage, center mass. It felt great.

I sat out the rest of the game and my folks took me to the family doctor. He had me lay flat on my back, put his hand on my abdomen and asked me to do a sit up. I couldn't. He figured the contact had torn my abdominal muscles, and told my folks that I was to sit on the bench the rest of the season. I started having some problems soon after: heartburn and nausea.

I kept complaining of heartburn and nausea so I soon found myself chatting with the doc. He thought I maybe had an ulcer. That led to my first upper GI test. Barium is so yummy I enjoyed it immensely. The stuff tasted like a thick, white shit malt. My GI tract was clear. So the doc scheduled me for the old dye test for gallbladder disease. I guess teens can have gallstones; however, my gallbladder worked fine with no sign of gallstones. So, when tests didn't show any reason for my symptoms of course I was then a "head case" with hypocondria. He obviously didn't remember I had been hurt playing ball. Here's the funny part...

My Symptoms Simply Disappeared

After several months of feelings like crap, bouts of nausea for as long as two weeks at a stretch and heartburn that started in my gut and traveled all the way to the tip of my tongue, those symptoms simply vanished. I was fine. Hey, I was damn glad they were gone. I didn't miss them, the doc, or the medical tests one bit.

I graduated from high school and enlisted in the Marine Corps. Towards the end of my last tour of duty I started getting sick. This time I experienced heartburn, nausea, and pain. The pain would start center mass and bore into my back or vice versa. I went to sickbay. The Corpsman couldn't determine what was wrong and figured whatever it may be was beyond his pay paygrade, so he scheduled a visit to Oakland Naval Hospital. I felt good about the appointment because military doctors are usually good; they have to be to save lives in wartime trauma situations. I was looking forward to a resolution of my problem.

While at the hospital I was subjected to another upper GI, more blood work, saw a Naval doctor, and was sent back to duty with a prescription for Librax. The Librax took the nausea away, which was a great thing because I hate to puke, but it did nothing for the pain. After about 30 days of off and on sickness, the symptoms again disappeared. What a relief to feel normal again.

I'm Diagnosed a Nut?

Come to find out later (after my enlistment and an honorable discharge) that Naval doc thought it was all in my head (tests showed nothing), and he put that in my SRB! I found out when applying for life insurance. I was told that my SRB showed a possible mental disorder. If I had stayed in the Corps that little bit of info in my SRB could have seriously damaged my career as a Marine.

The Hurt Locker

Then, in the late '70s, the symptoms came back with a vengeance, and I visited the ER seven times. Seven ER visits and none of those people could figure out what the problem was. I was beginning to dislike doctors, and understood why their business is called a practice. I had one doctor, who was a digestive disease specialist, tell me after a whole five minutes that he thought I was too young for a serious problem and was sure I had a spastic colon.

In the late 1970s I did not have a computer or access to quick information online, so I spent a lot of time in the library reading about diseases and symptoms. I found that gallbladder disease can present with similar symptoms, and passing stones can be painful but there are some key differences between gallbladder disease and pancreatitis. For example...

  • Alcohol doesn't affect the gallbladder but will cause major pain with pancreatitis.
  • The pain is usually more severe with pancreatitis and comes on suddenly, but it can also have a gradual build up. A telltale symptom of pain starting in front and boring into the back or visa-versa is a typical pancreatitis presentation.

Symptoms I Have Experienced

I have experienced severe pain, nausea, vomiting, fever, chills, sweating, difficulty breathing, swollen abdomen, rapid heart beat, and other symptoms. One symptom I had when I was really bad was that I could not stand something, like an arm or hand, laying on my abdomen. It would make me nauseous and cause pain. At times motion (driving the car, running) would make me sick, and I had never experienced motion sickness of any kind before, even on board ship in heavy seas. Anyways...

I finally found a really good doctor who not only reordered tests I had done previously, but also ordered new tests, some of which he did himself like sticking a scope down my throat so he could view my bile ducts.

He then gave me two drugs while in his office that caused me to have an acute pancreatitis attack. He drew blood every 30 minutes for approximately three hours when my enzyme levels suddenly spiked. This confirmed his suspicions. He again asked me how many times this had happened and I told him again of the seven ER visits and that those were just the really horrible attacks. He calmly mentioned I was lucky I wasn't dead.

The "You're Gonna Die" Chat

We had our little discussion about "preparing for the worst." He told me I had been having acute pancreatitis attacks and that I'd probably continue to have chronic problems. He went on to say that within 10 years I'd be looking at a pancreatic transplant because my pancreas would cease to function; I wouldn't be able to eat and that the success of pancreatic transplants at that time wasn't the best. I think he was trying tell me that within 10 years I might be dead.

I had finally found a good doctor. He told me no more alcohol, prescribed some drugs, and told me exactly why he was prescribing them. One drug, Robinul was to help slow down the digestive process. Compazine was for nausea and Demerol for pain. The Demerol didn't help, it didn't even take the edge off but...

One night while I was in massive pain I was going through the medicine cabinet when I discovered my wife's Motrin. Big pills that the bottle said to take for pain. I was in extreme pain, so I popped one of those horse pills. In 30 minutes or so my pain started to subside and was gone in less than an hour. I was one happy guy. I told Dr. Langdon about the pills. He told me they were an anti-inflammatory and as long as they worked he sure didn't have a problem with prescribing them. In fact, he was a little upset that he hadn't prescribed an anti-inflammatory before since pancreatitis is an inflammation of the pancreas.

Cool! Things were looking up! I had pills that would slow down my gut, pills for nausea, and pills that actually took the pain away without the chance of becoming addicted to opiates like morphine. Now it was time to learn how to heal and beat the 10 year time period.

I Wanted to Live

I did hordes of research after my diagnosis. My research led me to completely eliminate red meat, pork, mayo, butter, cream, and everything else with high fat content from my diet. In other words I was on a diet of fish, poultry (chicken and turkey), fruit, vegetables, legumes, and whole grain products. I also started taking vitamins and minerals to enable me to get enough nutrients absorbed because one of the complications that arises from pancreatitis is called malabsorption. Basically that means you don't absorb nutrients from food like you should. I started taking a multiple vitamin-mineral formula.

Years later I found research on OPC's (pycnogenol and grape seed) and curcumin (turmeric). The virtues of the two sounded too good to be true, but I gave it a shot. I started taking vitamin C, grape seed, and turmeric. Then, after six months of no problems (no pain or other symptoms), to "test" the benefits of Vitamin C, grape seed extract, and curcumin I stopped taking my meds. Six months later I was still in a "no problem zone." The diet and supplements were definitely working. However...

I didn't know what portion of my program was important so I tried eating red meat. After a few days of steak, roast, and hamburger I was sick as a dog. So that meant the diet was damn important. Once I was symptom-free again I eliminated the vitamin C, grape seed, and curcumin. Soon I was sick again. Being a right smart feller I figured that meant that BOTH the strict, low fat diet and the vitamin C, grape seed and turmeric were a necessary course of action unless I wanted to be in pain and puking.

The bottom line? I'm still alive and can still eat.

Breakdown of causes of Pancreatitis
Breakdown of causes of Pancreatitis

Pancreatitis Causes

The two most common causes of pancreatitis are gallstones and alcohol consumption.

Gallstone pancreatitis occurs when a gallstone or stones pass from the gallbladder and get stuck in the pancreatic duct or the ampulla of Vater portion of the common bile duct.

Alcoholic pancreatitis has always been thought to occur in those who consume vast amounts of alcohol via consistent long-term drinking and/or binge drinking. New research suggests that alcoholic pancreatitis may be linked to a genetic variant in DNA.

Traumatic abdominal Injury is another cause of pancreatitis. Traumatic abdominal injury sustained from a car wreck, bad fall, gunshot wound or a 200 pound full back slamming into your gut at full speed, may cause pancreatitis.

Cancer of the pancreas often causes pancreatitis. In fact I have read where doctors say that pancreatitis pain is the cancer pain without the cancer yet how would they know if they have never had either? Maybe some do actually listen to patients?

Other causes include:

  • autoimmune disease (autoimmune pancreatitis)
  • genes (hereditary pancreatitis)
  • medications (the list is long)
  • exposure to certain chemicals
  • surgery and certain medical proceedures such as ERCP
  • infections like mumps
  • high blood fat levels
  • sphincter of oddi dysfunction
  • pancreatic abnormalities such as pancreas divisum

I imagine there are other factors for causation as well.

Pancreatitis Pain Is the Worst Pain Imaginable

" ... inflammation of the pancreas causes some of the most severe pain that people have ever imagined" - Dr. David C. Whitcomb

Those of you who have friends or family who just can't get their head wrapped around the agony you go through and say stupid things like: "It just can't be that bad!" or "I've had a baby, that is the worst pain. I don't see how yours can compare," or some other ignorant, uninformed remark in regards to your ability to function— have them watch the video below.

Pancreatitis Pain and the Latest Research in Relation to Genetics as a Cause for Pancreatitis

Pancreatitis pain is horrendous. I wanted to post this so that pancreatitis patient family members and/or friends can hear from a prominent pancreas doctor what the pain is like when someone has pancreatitis. This should be somewhat of a revelation for those of you who think your family member or friend is a weeny that merely complains a lot or for the less than intelligent doctors out there that think pancreatitis victims simply want drugs for a nice trip.

Researchers are discovering that alcoholic pancreatitis and other types of pancreatitis may be genetically predisposed. This type of information may be of value to those who are like me and like to know why they may have this disease called pancreatitis, when others do not. Of course...

Dr. Whitcomb, Chief of the Division of Gastroenterology, Hepatology and Nutrition, at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center, touches on the genetic factors involved in those who develop pancreatitis.

Pancreatitis Can Be Difficult to Diagnose for Several Reasons

One of those reasons is simply that when it comes to pancreatitis, doctors can be dumber than bags of barber hair or seem to be because they don't listen. They are in too big a hurry to see their next patient, are thinking about their golf tee time, or simply don't care because it isn't them who is in agony.

Another reason is that they think they are omnipotent, know your body, its symptoms (what you are experiencing) a lot better than you do and if you beg to differ they simply chalk you up as a drug addict looking for a fix, a hypochondriac, or a lonely person in need of attention.

Another reason is that many doctors have difficulty diagnosing anything unless it slaps them in the face (CT scan showing horrendous damage due to necrotizing pancreatitis or cysts the size of watermelons). Horrendous damage and internal bleeding helps them arrive at a diagnosis of pancreatitis, but if you don't have those types of complications yet, it can be difficult to diagnose the problem.

If you have moderate to severe gastrointestinal symptoms and have yet to have a doctor give you a correct, common sense diagnosis, make sure you persevere in finding a gastroenterologist who received his/her degree from somewhere other than Cracker Jack University, is able to recall what they learned in medical school, and uses common sense along with the modern diagnostic tools. I know I am asking a lot because...

Finding a good doctor with great diagnostic skills is like locating a huge placer gold deposit, but I know there are at least one in 14 (7%) who have brains and diagnostic ability. In fact, here's one who wrote an article about Chronic Pancreatitis and Current Problems of Diagnostic Criteria

Just make sure you don't give up. The sooner you get diagnosed the better because there is evidence that the damage from both acute and chronic pancreatitis is reversible if it is diagnosed early enough and if you take appropriate measures to insure that the inflammation in your pancreas has completely abated and the tissue allowed to heal.

I wish you good luck.

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Grape Seed Extract

NOW Grape Seed Anti 100mg,200 Veg Capsules
NOW Grape Seed Anti 100mg,200 Veg Capsules

If you are sick you'll need to take fairly high doses to see results. 200 mg four times per day would be about right. If I could only afford one supplement, this is the exact supplement I would choose ( I use this exact formula) because it has both grape seed (highly anti-inflammatory) and vitamin C in a decent dose of 320 mgs per capsule. What this means is that you don't need to buy vitamin C separately with this product. You get more bang for your buck with this grape seed supplement.

 

Curcumin

Jarrow Formulas Curcumin 95, Provides Antioxidant Support, 500 mg, 120 Veggie Caps
Jarrow Formulas Curcumin 95, Provides Antioxidant Support, 500 mg, 120 Veggie Caps

Curcumin is a powerful anti-inflammatory. Jarrow makes quality products. This is the curcumin supplement I use. At 500 mgs (one cap) per day, it's a three month supply. If you are still quite ill you may need two to three caps per day. If you have gallstones or SOD you should not take curcumin. Higher doses of curcumin can cause stomach upset, nausea, even vomiting so work up slowly to make sure it doesn't provide side effects you don't want. Two or three caps per day should be fine but work up from one cap per day just to be sure.

 

Is There a Pancreatitis Cure?

I know that when you are in extreme pain due to acute or chronic pancreatitis that there is nothing you'd like to find more than a cure.

I'm not gonna lie to you.

There is no cure for pancreatitis. However, my research is leading me to believe there may be hope of possible pancreatic tissue regeneration. If regeneration does exist within the ability of pancreatic tissue, then it would be common sense that dictates what the immediate course of action should be when acute pancreatitis strikes in order to...

Not simply relieve pain with narcotic drugs but to actually stop the acute pancreatitis attack in its tracks in order to prevent catastrophic damage and possible death due to shock, necrosis, infection, or organ failure. The less damage sustained, the easier it will be for the pancreas to regenerate, if there is tissue regeneration capability.

I don't want to get all religious here but if you believe in God and His Creation, wouldn't one wonder if He created man in His image (Bible states we were created in His image) and His image being perfect, that there would be some form of regeneration potential in case of damage?

It is food for thought don't you agree?

So, as I find research regarding potential renegeration of pancreatic tissue I'll post that information within a section of this article pertaining to the regeneration of pancreatic tissue.

Don't get your hopes up.

However, if there is any possibiltiy of regeneration, I am sure it would only happen if the pancreas was not inflamed by alcohol or diet.

I know that even though the possibility of pancreatic tissue regeneration may be good news—it isn't the news you were hoping to hear. You were hoping to hear that there is indeed a pancreatitis cure, but...

As far as I know there is no cure for pancreatitis. Once acute pancreatitis has damaged the pancreas, it is quite likely you will have another event of acute pancreatitis and then the disease will evolve into the chronic form. Sometimes acute pancreatitis resolves, never to return, but that is not the case in the majority of those who have been lucky enough to have been inducted into our private pancreatitis hall of pain. And so...

Since there is no pancreatitis cure we must adapt, improvise, and overcome so that we control pancreatitis pain and damage thereby allowing pancreas healing to take place.

Surgery for Necrotizing Pancreatitis

I have been an extremely lucky pancreatitis victim. So far, to my knowledge, I have not had any major complications such as necrosis, cysts, or infection. However, the last thing I'd want is necrotizing pancreatitis. It has a fairly high death rate—as much as 50 percent when coupled with organ failure. This is why I take great care in adhering to my very low fat diet, abstaining from alcohol in every form, and consuming fairly large quantities of certain vitamins, minerals, antioxidants, curcumin, grapeseed, vitamin C, and enzymes.

Sugical Procedures for Pancreatitis (Acute and Chronic)

I am locating info on surgical procedures so that you folks can learn about what I categorize as "last resort" options. I do not recommend slicing and dicing. The sickest people, those who can not seem to heal, are the ones who have been what I call "gutted" by some surgeon.

However, there are instances (necrosis with infection aka necrotizing pancreatitis) that certainly warrant surgical intervention, and the patient may not live without it. Under those circumstances, one may have no choice, but for those who are not yet seriously damaged, I am more inclined to suggest a total lifestyle and diet change. This has worked for me, though iit isn't easy to give up foods you love; but, I'd rather do that and keep my organs intact. Many people do not share my views. So...

It is for those people I am gathering info about surgical procedures and posting them here because when one continues to eat foods that are inflammatory to the pancreas or continue to drink alcohol, sooner or later you'll be needing information on surgical procedures.

The Puestow, Frey, and Whipple Procedures

These surgical procedures are done either to correct complications or alleviate pain. Once done you cannot get an "undo," and most people who I have either chatted with online or read about are worse off after the procedures than they were before. Some see pain resolution for a time, then it all falls apart and they are back in the same boat though usually worse because their boat now has holes.

Islet Cell Autotransplant After Total Pancreatectomy (TP/AIT)

Twelve-year-old Brittany Alexander has suffered since she was four years old with pancreatitis. In May 2012 Brittany underwent a pancreatectomy and islet cell autotransplant. One month after her surgery, Brittany talks with Dr. Katherine Morgan and nurse coordinator Betsy Shuford at the Digestive Disease Center Division of Gastrointestinal Surgery at the Medical University of South Carolina in Charleston.

Important Note: Brittany and others I have found online have newly done procedures, all within the last couple of years. I have not been able to find any living patient experiences after five years. Make sure you read the next section about TP/AIT, including what little research there is online about outcomes both short and long term which seems to be very elusive and non-existent.

Your story about your experience may help others by sharing the experience with us all. So tell us everything, including as to whether or not the proceedure was successful, if you'd recommend it (non-emergency types of proceedures such as ERCP), and so forth.

Please continue reading below the following comments section for more information on types of food and supplements I've tried while living with pancreatitis.

Remember This About Pancreatitis

Pancreatitis Can Kill You!

"I have heard that in war haste can be folly but have never seen delay that was wise." Sun Tzu

"Ultimate excellence lies not in winning every battle but in defeating the enemy without ever fighting" Sun Tzu

What do the above quotes mean?

To win the battle with pancreatitis you must take swift, decisive action, prevent acute pancreatitis attacks and potential, unrepairable pancreatic damage.

Your actions will determine the difference between life and death.

Curcumin

Curcumin is very important when you have pancreatitis. Curcumin, along with grape seed extract, seems to put the fire of inflammation out like water on a camp fire. Both grape seed and curcumin are highly anti-inflammatory and they are extremely potent antioxidants. They have also shown remarkable ability to inhibit cancer cell growth (a possible complication of long-term chronic pancreatitis).

Antioxidants for Chronic Pancreatitis

Daily antioxidant supplementation appears to relieve pain and reduces oxidative stress in patients with chronic pancreatitis. Individuals with chronic pancreatitis may be deficient in antioxidants. Oxidative stress is an important mechanism of injury and inflammation of the pancreas in chronic pancreatitis.

Dr. Pramod K. Garg and colleagues from the All India Institute of Medical Sciences in New Delhi gave chronic pancreatitis patients daily doses of 600 ug organic selenium, 54o mg ascorbic acid, 9000 IU beta-carotene, 270 IU alpha-tocopherol and 2 g methionine. All patients were treated in the standard manner with analgesics on demand and pancreatic enzyme replacement therapy. After six months, the reduction in the number of painful days per month was higher in the antioxidant group than the placebo group. One third of patients became pain-free on treatment. Gastroenterology 2009.

It only took the medical community 14 years more than me to figure this stuff out (certain high potency antioxidants relieve pancreatitis pain), and frankly I'll bet grape seed, curcumin, and vitamin C work better and they are non-toxic. Selenium, even though proven to fight heart disease and cancer, in high doses becomes toxic, causing a vast aray of problems. Large doses of methionine will immediately raise blood plasma levels of homocysteine, which irritates artery walls, causing damage and the resulting arterial plaque known as atherosclerosis but...

That's the medical community for you. If there is a way to do something well, non-toxically, they will choose the toxic way every time!

I'll stay with vitamin C, grape seed extract, and curcumin all of which are non-toxic.

WARNING: If you have Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction (SOD) or gallstones you may want to avoid curcumin and turmeric because it increases bile flow.

NOW Super Enzymes,180 Capsules
NOW Super Enzymes,180 Capsules

These are the exact digestive enzymes I personally use. They contain pancreatin 4X which helps take some of the workload off of my pancreas.

 

Pancreatic Enzymes: Take a Load Off Your Pancreas

You pancreas produces the digestive enzymes needed to break down the food you eat. When you have pancreatitis you'll find it helpful to lighten the workload of your pancreas by consuming quality digestive enzymes before each meal. Some say to do it after the meal; however, I have found that it works better to have the enzymes in my gut before I eat. If you cheat (I know you will ha ha), and eat a meal or a food item that you shouldn't eat that is higher in fat content, you may want to take an additional dose after the meal along with more grape seed and curcumin. This may help you avoid problems, but don't count on it. The best advice is don't cheat, and take enzymes with each low fat content meal.

Pancreatitis complications
Pancreatitis complications

Complications of Pancreatitis

It is extremely important, if you have pancreatitis, to understand what you are really dealing with and how important it is for you to keep your pancreas as non-inflamed as possible in order to avoid serious complications that could result in your death.

The more you do to help yourself the better off you are going to be. If you have mild, acute, or mild chronic pancreatitis it can get worse if you allow the problem to become uncontrolled by not doing what you should do. The last thing you want is full-blown acute pancreatitis with complications.

So what kind of complications am I talking about?

There are some serious ones, ones that cause death such as:

  • Pancreatic cancer
  • Necrotizing pancreatitis (infection)
  • Organ failure (Kidney, Heart, Lungs, Liver)
  • Shock

Other complications include:

  • Pseudocysts
  • Breathing problems
  • Diabetes
  • Malnutrition
  • Acidosis

Your Eating Habits and Food Choices Are...

Either going to kill you or heal you. Which would you prefer? No matter how healthy something such as olive oil is said to be, one measly teaspoon contains four grams of fat, a tablespoon contains 14 grams of fat. Fat is the enemy—no oil. Your fat consumption should not exceed five grams per meal; 15 - 25 grams total per day, including snacks. No beef, pork, lamb, or duck (way to much fat) or anything made from them (soups, broth, gravies, sauces). Low, low, low fat and no alcohol.

What Are Healthy Food Choices for Pancreatitis?

In another section below, I have mentioned the foods you should avoid at all costs, but I haven't really hit on the foods that are healthy choices or foods that you should eat (when you are hungry), that will help you maintain some semblance of health without putting your pancreas in an inflamed state or your life at risk any more than it already is.

Once you "get it," and completely understand that your life is in your own hands and that fat in any form is your enemy, it narrows down your food choices considerably. Saturated fat, animal fat, is the worst fat. Fatty, oily anything is not a good thing. And you know alcohol, in any form, is completely out right? So let's look at what you may somewhat safely eat.

It all depends on where you are at...

And I'm not talking about your global location.

First of all, if you are just coming out of an attack my best advice is to live on water for 48 hours and then try some fruit juice and vegetable juice (V8). If you have a juicer great. Make your own vegetable juice. After your pancreas has "rested" for at least three days and you have encountered no symptoms for 72, preferrably 96 hours then, if you are hungry, try a small meal of brown rice and vegetables. I mean a small meal, maybe half a cup.

If that goes well have another half a cup in an hour or two. Eat small meals five to six times per day but if you begin to feel any symptoms stop eating. And...

Immediately take aspirin or ibuprofen, grape seed extract (capsules), and curcumin (capsules) to stop the inflammation. Then rest your pancreas as explained above. I suggest you take grape seed extract (one mg per pound of body weight) daily along with 500mgs of curcumin and at least 1000mgs of vitamin C. The grape seed, curcumin, and vitamin C should become a daily routine. They fight inflammation and help heal your pancreas. You can buy them all from any well stocked health food store. You'll also need digestive enzymes with pancreatin 4X. So get them while you are at the health store and take them 15 - 20 minutes before every meal. They help take the load of producing digestive enymes off your pancreas.

If you are not hungry, do not eat.

If you are not hungry that is a signal! Pay attention! If you eat when you are not hungry you most likely will pay. Learn to live differently now that you have pancreatitis. Eat to live instead of living to eat.

Ok, foods that are usually safe and healthy are strict vegan:

  • Whole grains, such as oatmeal, wheat bread, rye bread, wheat germ, barley, brown rice, and bulgar.
  • Legumes, such as beans (vegetarian), peas, and lentils.
  • Tubers, such as potatoes, sweet potatoes, yams, carrots, beets, turnips, parsnips, and rudabegas
  • Leafy greens, such as spinach, lettuce, and chard.
  • Cruciferous veggies, such as Brussels sprouts, cabbage, and broccoli.
  • Fruit, such as tomatoes (yes, tomatoes are fruit just don't put them in a fruit salad), apples, oranges, pomegranate, pineapple, mangos, and papaya.

If you cook your food do it in such a manner that you do not need oil or fat of any kind. None, zip, nada. No oil. Got it?

Note: Avocados are fruit, but they contain extremely high amounts of oily fats and should be avoided unless you feel extremely lucky or have been symptom-free for over six months. If you eat avocado, eat a very small amount.

Once you have been on grape seed extract, curcumin, and vitamin C for six months and have had zero symptoms while eating a strict vegan diet you can begin to try other foods—in small quantities.

These other foods are:

  • Fat free or 1% milk
  • Fish (trout, tuna, salmon, mackerel, sardines or white fish like bass, perch, crappie)
  • Skinless chicken and turkey (broiled, boiled, or BBQ'd)
  • Eggs (soft boiled, hard boiled, poached)
  • Avocado, flax seed, nuts (very small amounts)

Remember: Cook everything without oil or grease of any kind.

If you experience any unpleasant symptoms you know the drill right? Rest your pancreas and start again after 96 hours with the strict vegan regimen.

I have also started another article dealing with my own personal pancreatitis diet and what you need to do in order to create your own pancreatitis diet because there are certain steps you must take in order to learn what foods should or should not be included in your pancreatitis diet.

Juicing for Pancreatitis

One of the best ways to obtain quality nutrients with little to no fat that will be easily digested (allowing your pancreas to work less) is by drinking fresh juice made from organic fruits and vegetables. If you have enough damage due to acute and/or chronic pancreatitis that has resulted in malabsorption, juicing will make it easier for your small intestines to absorb nutrients. Those are two great reasons to buy your own juicer and start juicing. In order to avoid pesticides which are undoubtedly harmful to an already sick pancreas, it is best to choose organic produce.

chronic pancreatitis
chronic pancreatitis

Chronic Pancreatitis Life Expectancy

I know from what I read on online support groups that life expectancy for those with chronic pancreatitis is on their minds.

That same question may be on your mind as well, and this is a difficult question to which I have no definitive answer and neither does anyone else.

I was told I may have only 10 years left when I was diagnosed. Some articles say seven to ten years once diagnosed with chronic pancreatitis, others say it takes an average of 10 to 15 years off one's life expectancy. Take the following for example:

This is such a novel thought where docs are concerned. I wonder who told them? "Determining the cause of acute pancreatitis and treating it quickly may help prevent chronic pancreatitis. Not drinking a lot of alcohol reduces the risk of developing this condition." MedLine Plus

"Chronic pancreatitis is associated with a reduction in life expectancy. Only half of the patients with a diagnosis of chronic pancreatitis will survive for longer than seven years following diagnosis." NetDoctor

"This is a serious disease that may lead to disability and death. You can reduce the risk by avoiding alcohol." PubMed Health

This article, written in 1994, states that survival rate at 10 years was 70 percent: Prognosis of chronic pancreatitis. Hey that is good news! Seventy percent were still alive at the ten year mark; maybe things have improved, and survival is much better and for longer periods of time today.

This article, written in 1993, Natural Course of Chronic Pancreatitis states that pancreatic surgery ends up being worthless as far as pain management is concerned, and that survival time is about the same. This should tell you to search for another option. I absolutely believe I have survived for 20 more years than I was told, because of my diet, supplements, refusing to opt for any sort of surgery even related to my pancreas, and avoiding the use of medicines and/or protocols that promote acute pancreatitis.

The above information tells me that even though you may wish you were dead (because of pain and nausea), you can live for a fairly long time with this disease. In fact, I am living proof you can live with, and overcome, pancreatitis as long as you are willing to do certain things. To me, it boils down to is this...

Most people who die from chronic pancreatitis most likely die from an acute pancreatitis attack that turns into SAP, severe acute pancreatitis. You'll note that under the section "Morbidity and Mortality," most deaths occur due to organ failure and infected necrosis.

The reason I say this is because if you look closely, none of the articles state that patients die directly from chronic pancreatitis. It it usually the result of complications, and what is the most likely complication?

Acute pancreatitis.

This would lead me to believe that if you can prevent acute pancreatitis you may be able to extend your life. If you can extend your life and eliminate your pain and suffering would that not be a good thing?

What are you willing to do to survive and maybe enjoy life again?

Are you willing to quit drinking (if that is the cause of your pancreatitis)?

Are you willing to avoid foods that trigger acute pancreatitis?

How important is it to you to survive and do it without pain, or at least less pain and suffering?

Only you can answer those questions.

Pancreatitis diet
Pancreatitis diet

Go Vegan to Heal

A Vegan diet (not vegetarian—there is a big difference), is typically considered a very low fat diet. However, what one must consider is that even though strict vegans do not eat meat or dairy products, they still use oil in cooking and that is something you will not do, isn't that right?

Yes it is, so ...

Going vegan with the added restriction of no oil to heal pancreatitis damage is a very good idea. You need to do this for at least six months to one year. Eliminating all saturated fats, oils, and alcohol is simply a smart, healthy choice unless you enjoy pain.

Keep in mind that not all vegan recipes will work for you because some do contain too much fat for a damaged pancreas, but they do give you ideas to use in order to cook some tasty "should be safe" meals. Some substitution or elimination of certain ingredients such as sauces, salad dressings, avocado and other high fat, oily foods may be necessary. Either substitute or cut out those foods which contain fat, look like fat, smell like fat, and most likely are fat from any vegan recipe. And...

Take large doses of grape seed extract, vitamin C, and curcumin.

Do this for at least six months or until your pain, nausea, and abdominal tenderness is gone. Then, you can try to alter your diet to include some dairy, fish, and poultry.

Absolutely no alcohol. Watch out for cough syrup, vanilla extract, and cold remedies.

Supplements for Pancreatitis

These five supplements help me:

I won't insult your intelligence with a bunch of phony online testimonials. And as far as I am concerned the FDA and FTC can go take a hike if they don't like what I say because I use certain supplements to relieve the symptoms of pancreatitis. When I use them I feel a whole lot better, am usually attack free and have far less pancreatitis symptoms. I can't say they will help you. Everyone is different but I know what they do for me. In fact, I know they are the only reason I don't have more problems with pancreatitis than I do.

I take 200mg per day of grape seed and 500mg of curcumin (the extract from turmeric) as a maintenance dose and when I started I took 400 - 800mg of grape seed along with 500 - 1000mg of curcumin per day (I started at the lower doses and worked up and then stayed at the top doses until I had no symptoms or tenderness at all). The vitamin C you also need to work up with. Start at 500mgs per day and work up to 5000mgs per day. Be advised...

Grape seed extract can cause some side effects. Some people experience nausea and headache with the higher doses due to detoxification. If you experience them, decrease the amount you take but try to take one mg per pound of body weight each day and work up to the higher doses. Vitamin C can also cause some intestinal problems at high doses in some folks. It gives some people the runs. Just work through it, it won't kill you. I have taken up to 10,000 mgs per day for 30 days and never died. Your body will become used to both of those super antioxidants and things will go back to normal. And, you may never experience what I just said, I never did, but, some folks do.

Once you are well (no symptoms or abdominal tenderness), you can decrease the dose of grape seed down to a maintenance dose of at least one milligram per pound of body weight. Curcumin can come down to 500mgs per day, vitamin C at 1000 - 2000mgs per day. If this regimen works for you like it does me, you'll notice you feel better in a few days and in time may heal. Do not come off the high doses too soon. Make sure you are completely healed. You'll know because your abdomen will feel normal when you push in with your hand or have someone do it while you lie down. It should not be a painful experience.

Since the pancreas produces the enzymes needed to breakdown a meal, I take digestive enzymes about 15 minutes before meals as well which seems to help possibly because it takes some of the load of producing enzymes off my pancreas. Just like the maintenance doses of the grape seed, curcumin, and vitamin C you will always need to take enzymes.

If you are wondering, the reason I take 2000mgs of vitamin C is because vitamin C is a proven cancer fighter (so are grape seed and curcumin), along with being a very strong free radical fighter, and it works hand in hand with the grape seed to help protect my pancreas.

Even with extra enzymes to help digest food someone with pancreatitis may also suffer from malabsorption, which means that your small intestines don't absorb the necessary vitamins and minerals your body needs to stay healthy. This of course means it is important to supplement with a quality multi-vitamin and mineral formulation.

And ...

This is important, not all vitamin formulations are good.

When buying multiple vitamin-minerals formulations, look for quality (real natural vitamins, not synthetic), not price. Stay away from the cheap crap you see advertised on TV. I won't mention any names but cheap one-a-days are useless. If you don't believe me call the sewage treatment facility in your town and ask what vitamins are found in the sewage and then use something else.

Mayo Clinic Pancreatitis Treatment

This fairly new surgical technique could be a real blessing for some people with necrotic pancreatitis. There really are some brilliant minds out there in doctor land, finding them seems to be the difficulty.

Things to Remember When Fighting Pancreatitis

Do you have pancreatitis? You are now in a war, a battle for your life because for some reason, your pancreas has, in some way, been injured. It doesn't matter if it shows on a CT scan. If your pancreas was perfectly healthy you wouldn't have the condition—period. In any event you are in trouble, you are now engaged in battle. And...

"Every battle is won before it is fought" - Sun Tzu

This means that if you want to win the battle you need to out-fox your pancreas. You need to know what will piss it off (cause it to become inflamed) or worse, to destroy itself, thereby killing you. And you need to take the appropriate actions to ensure that the first does not happen so the second does not happen.

Things to Know and Take Seriously:

  • You must eat to live instead of living to eat. When you have pancreatitis, eliminating alcohol, red meat, pork, lamb, duck, butter, mayo, margarine, and anything else with a high fat or oil content from your diet is absolutely imperative. Read labels on anything you purchase to eat. Make sure that hidden fats such as palm oil, coconut oil, butter, oil-based products (margarine, CoolWhip, etc...) do not enter your mouth.
  • Be careful of cough syrup, cold remedies, and mouthwash because many contain alcohol and, yes, the alcohol in mouthwash can be absorbed via the skin, especially under the tongue.
  • Vanilla extract doesn't work either because of the alcohol it contains, and even a small teaspoon used in baking can cause problems.
  • Bananas must be eaten before they begin to spot because the spotting signals that the sugar is turning into alcohol (trust me I learned this stuff the hard way).
  • If you haven't been told by your doc or figured it out yet from what I have said previously, alcohol is a real big no-no with pancreatitis. Yes, that means no wine with dinner, no beer at ball games, and if you drink after I have warned you, well you might want to consider getting your head examined.

The important thing you must understand is that you need to make a choice between drinking alcohol, eating wonderful tasty food full of fat, and possibly dying a horrible painful death or eliminating alcohol and certain foods and possibly living to old age. The choice is yours and I already made mine years ago.

Always Think Anti-inflammation:

Pancreatitis is an inflammation of the pancreas. So when I feel unwell, like an attack is coming on, I immediately take aspirin. I used to wait until the pain was bad, but I finally figured out it makes more sense to take the aspirin at the first hint of trouble. I'd rather waste 10 cents worth of aspirin than take a chance of pancreatic damage. I switched from high doses of Motrin to 1300mg (4 tabs) of aspirin simply because I feel aspirin is safer. Aspirin is an anti-inflammatory, and it also things the blood, so that when I get tachycardia I lessen the chances of developing a clot. So I get a double punch.

I use several spices that lower inflammation. For example, in my rice and vegetables for dinner tonight I added in a nice dose of the following:

  • Cayenne Pepper
  • Ginger
  • Garlic
  • Turmeric

All of those spices are highly anti-inflammatory and garlic has another plus—it is a natural antibiotic that bugs do not become resistant towards. Cayenne pepper helps with pain as well, and ginger helps with nausea. Turmeric is a potent anti-cancer agent which has shown some promising attributes as an angiogenesis inhibitor. Garlic and cayenne have qualities similar to turmeric. I use those four spices a lot! And I use them liberally.

Do Not Eat if You Are Not Hungry:

I have a family member who thinks it helps to eat when they are nauseous, and most often they puke after eating. How dumb is that? What you need to understand is that if you are not hungry, I mean hungry, you can feel the hunger, your belly feels like it is starving and it is talking to you and it says: "feed me!" It is not a good thing to eat when you have pancreatitis. Not feeling the hunger is a signal that your pancreas doesn't want to go to work, and if you piss it off you'll pay. Trust me. So...

I am not talking about your stomach making gurgling noises, or maybe it is dinner time and you think you need to eat. I'm talking about the fact that you know you are hungry and need to eat because you feel bonafide hunger pangs. If you aren't hungry—do not eat. Don't worry you won't starve. You can go up to two weeks without food but you do need to stay hydrated so drink water. But if you are not hungry don't eat.

Eat at Home:

One of the things I have learned the hard way is that it is much safer to eat at home and to eat only what I myself have prepared. The reason is simple. Your family and friends may care about you, even love you dearly, but they have been cooking their way for years. If they use a little butter, bacon fat, mayo, or marinade that chicken breast with a little wine or whatever—they inadvertantly think: "It's just a little, what's it gonna hurt?" Well, that little bit of bacon grease in the fried potaotes probably will make you very ill and could possibly lead to complications that kill you. You need to ask yourself: "Is it worth it?"

I know this is in fact what happens because I have become ill eating food prepared by frineds and family. I found the easiest way to remedy the problem was to simply avoid the food prepared by others. I've had two wives and a myriad of live-in girlfriends. They all, even though it was unintentional, made me sick with their food. My own mother, who loves me dearly, has made me sick with her cooking. You absolutely must take responsibility for your own life (if you wish to live), and avoid eating food prepared by others. They simply don't get the significance of: "A little dab will do ya." And I don't mean that in a good way because that little dab may lead to the attack that turns chronic pancreatitis into an acute episode that ends your life with necrotizing pancreatitis or organ failure.

You may think I am being "anal" about this, but I'm still alive after 30 plus years. I've learned the hard way and I've been extremely lucky. I also understand that my luck could run out at any time. I'd personally prefer it were much later than tomorrow or next week. So, again, you need to choose between what is best for your health and longevity and eating food prepared by others.

All-in-one Multi-Vitamin Mineral Formulation

A quality Multi-Vitamin-Mineral formulation is almost mandatory when you have pancreatitis. You will most likely need an extra boost of vitamins in order to receive the optimum levels of nutrition your body needs to repair itself and survive.

All One Powder Multiple Vitamins & Minerals, Fruit Antioxidant Formula, 2.2-Pound Can
All One Powder Multiple Vitamins & Minerals, Fruit Antioxidant Formula, 2.2-Pound Can

Vitamin-Mineral formulations are not created equal. Most are absolute garbage. I use this formula myself and even though I wouldn't rate it as exceedingly outstanding it does trump 85 - 90% of the products on the market. Most of the vitamins, minerals, antioxidants and amino acids come from plant based sources, however some are still of the low quality synthetic composition. But the majority of the formula is quite good. It's easy to take and the absortion is very good and it beats the hell out of buying and taking 30 - 40 different single products of better quality, if you can even find them. I'm happy with it and feel the difference. Give it a try to see if it fits you.

 

Pancreatitis Resources

I may add information to this from time to time that is important for you to know if you suffer from pancreatitis, especially acute forms of the illness.

Pancreatitis Support Groups

One nice thing to have is a group of support people who actually know what you are going through in regards to pancreatitis. Most people such as family, friends, and co-workers have no clue what you endure daily due to pancreatitis, and some can be downright offensive due to ignorance. If you have recently been diagnosed or have suffered for quite sometime, you may find comfort in knowing you are not alone. Support groups are places to vent on a bad day, ask questions, and simply hang out with others who know what the pain and other symptoms are like and the problems you face daily.

However, be advised!

I have joined several support groups and they all have one thing in common which drives me nuts. They are full of sick people who give advice to others, which is guaranteed to keep you sick. If someone gives you advice (what they eat, what they take, what they do, what they think) and they are not pain-free and well—please—for your own well being do not listen. Be polite, whatever, but, I can dang well guarantee you that if you follow the advice of someone who is still sick or had to have their guts removed after years of being sick, you are gonna end up the same way by following that kind of advice. Following the advice of someone in a pancreatitis support group who is still sick, suffering pain, and looking for answers via surgeries and procedures is like following financial advice from your uncle who has gone bankrupt three times or that fat lady down the street who offers you tips on how to lose weight—it simply doesn't make sense.

I'm serious.

The information that is passed back and forth by the people I have found in pancreatitis support groups is so dangerous it simply makes me angry.

This article was designed and updated for one reason.

To help people heal their pancreas, if possible (not everyone will be able to heal even if they do exactly what I do because they are already so far gone it isn't possible).

I have read the stories of people in support groups, who are so sick it is nothing less than heart-breaking yet they will not listen to someone who has been in a similar situation (maybe not as bad, maybe worse at one point), yet found a way to stop acute pancreatitis attacks dead in their tracks, heal the pancreas damage, and live mostly pain-free.

If I'd have found someone like me when I was extremely ill, I'd have jumped at the chance to learn and do anything that made sense to stop that unbelievable pain.

But, there are some really stupid people in the world, people who think they are wise yet have no clue. These same people eat foods that would have surely caused my death years ago if I had continued eating them, but I was lucky.

Someone whispered in my ear and helped me find the truth.

I am sharing that truth with you, free of charge.

You'll find where I use certain supplements to heal and keep me healed, and I could care less where you buy them, just buy them and use them. This article is not about making money. Twenty-three cents, or even a buck or two from a sale doesn't turn me on. This is not my dream niche. I work online in areas that nail $25 - $200 per sale. I wouldn't walk across the street for twenty-three cents in commission let alone invest the time it takes to write and update this piece.

So, if you happen to be some puke who thinks I am taking advantage of people who suffer, get your head out of your ass so you can see daylight.

God save my ass.

I have no clue as to why however I can come up with several hundred reasons why He should have simply let me die. He, God, showed me how to heal. He taught me how to do research and showed that what He whispered in my ear years ago has now been proven by science to work.

If you should ask me a question I will tell you what I would do, not what you should do because I am not a doctor. I can't give medical advice, nor can I prescribe a course of treatment. I can tell you that what doctors do in the ER is almost totally wrong and why I wouldn't go in unless I hear that whisper in my ear telling me to go but...

I would suggest that you do not ever do what I do (avoid the ER when prudent), because you can die from acute pancreatitis. I do not trust doctors. I have my reasons for that, but that does not mean I am right. If you have gotten this far along in this article, you know why I avoid doctors, especially when it comes to pancreatitis, and why unless I hear that whisper in my ear telling me I need life saving care, I'll never set foot in an ER ever again for acute pancreatitis.

As for support groups, I cannot recommend them. You will receive too much erroneous information. I have been a member of about five groups and all have been what I'd call a bunch of sick, clueless people offering advice on how to stay sick.

However, if you need support feel free to ask. There is only one of me and I don't spend all my time on this site, but when I see a comment in the form of a question, I answer it. If I know the answer I'll tell you what I know, and if I don't know the answer I'll tell you and then look for the best answer, hopefully supported by science so that you can make an intelligent decision.

I can tell you this: doctors are not always right (they just think they are omnipotent), they call their business a "practice" for a damn good reason and that is because they practice on you. That is why I never do anything some white coat tells me to do (have a procedure, pop a pill, etc) without doing research on that procedure, medication, or surgery first whenever possible; and it is always possible unless you are comatose.

If you would like to join a support goup then feel free, but pay extremely close attention to who you accept advice from because there is so much erroneous, damaging, and imbecillic postings in support groups that I actually cannot recommend them.

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pancreatitis help

When Pancreatitis Makes You Sick Our Lord and His Angels Will Help

I honestly can't count the number of acute pancreatitis episodes I have experienced. When I was very sick, they came often and I am sure that it is only by the grace of God the creator and His angels that I am still alive.

The doctor who diagnosed me said, "You're lucky to be alive."

I didn't see any major resolution in sickness for another three years, but while in an attack I prayed—a lot. Talking to my Father helped, and I know that during the worst episodes He had angels keeping me safe. I never saw them, but, I was never in fear, just pain. And for those of you who have experienced the pain, the type that is so bad you begin to lose touch with reality, things seem to move slow, it seems like a foggy pain racked dream—you know what I am talking about right? Asking your Father in heaven for comfort may help you bear the pain.

Important Warning

Beware. I am not a doctor. I can't prescribe, diagnose, or dispense medical advice and you should do your own research as well as reading about what I personally have experienced and do. Any content on this page, about living with pancreatitis, should only be used for your reading pleasure, and should never be used to diagnose or treat any disease, condition, or physical impairment of any kind. You should always seek competent medical advice from a licensed physician (some do exist) before trying any natural remedy or starting any health program. Am I clear on that?

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      Linda 2 weeks ago

      I’ve had chronic pancreatitis for about 16 years. I have less symptoms since I started turmeric about 6 months ago. When I have lab work done, my liver enzymes are always normal and the doctors say my pancreas is just fine my symptoms doesn’t say my pancreas is ok.

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      Tammy 6 weeks ago

      I had an acute pancreatitis episode about 15 years ago and was hospitalized for it. The pain was in my chest and back. I felt like the proverbial elephant was on my chest. I was given a nitroglycerin drip and morphine and put on a heart monitor. After a few hours I got extremely nauseous and broke out in a cold sweat and about ten people came running in my room. They were rolling me down the hall and telling me I was having a heart attack. The did a cardiac cath and I did not have a heart attack.

      I had stomach ulcers and pancreatitis.

      But ever since then every two to three years I have something that feels like that episode but without the "elephant".

      The pain though is primarily on the mid-right area that bores to the right back (shoulder and flank).

      However, the docs (gastro) can never figure out what is causing it. After several weeks to months it gradually gets better.

      I saw a new dr today because I am miserable. He ordered an ultrasound and lab work. He told me if it was that serious it would have killed me already. (That was comforting

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      Carol Krentzman 7 weeks ago

      So I have been having CP attacks over the past 6 months. Last week I starting having one and I decided to do the Elemental Formula (4 shakes per day 3 g per fat each) The first two days I got out of pancreas pain. Now it's the third day and I'm having bad pain. I also have Gallbladder Disease. I'm thinking that since I'm pretty much fasting that it's causing a stone to be lodged in my pancreatic duct. My chiropractor urged me to take 1 Tbl of olive oil with lemon to thin the bile. He said to heal the gallbladder is to heal the pancreas. I already took advil, vitamin c, turmeric and grapeseed root and no lessening of the pain. I want to try the olive oil. I don't get this. I"m in more pain after 3 days on the elemental diet than I was when I was eating fats.

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      CPope 4 months ago

      Thank you for this information. All of it. I e had acute pancreatitis for 6 years now. I've never heard of the anti inflammatory items like grape seed, etc. and seeing a comprehensive list of what to eat and no oil is extremely helpful. Thank you so much. I'm coming out of an attack right now and will use this advice and see how it goes.

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      cassie119300 6 months ago

      My story may be a bit baffling.. but here it is. I believe between 2015-2016 is when I started having early symptoms. I was having acid reflux, I drank on the weekends. I was prescribed Rantidine for that. I would notice what felt like this little burning sensation going under my left rib bone. The burning sensation would literally even strike when i rubbed across the area with my hand, as it would feel itchy at times. I didn't think much of it though at the time, I would just not take my rantidine when I wanted to have a wine cooler or whatever. On March of 5th is when I believe I did the most damage. I was not eating great either, I was still going through a break up and I was eating a lot. I went out to the bar with my sister to celebrate one of their birthdays. I had a drink called the "death mix" plus numerous others. I drank for my sister since she was pregnant at the time. They couldn't believe I didn't puke that night even. Well, time went on and I don't know how many months I suffered with it, but that burning would present with what felt like a gas bubble stuck beneath my left rib bone. I started taking gas-x ultra strength, antacids, I would feel relief sometimes when I went to the bathroom.. which should have been another clue. I would continue to have wine coolers on the weekends though. Even when I went to the bathroom that should have been a signal, I had boughts of yellow diarrhea for quite some time. I had also been taking gemfibrozil as months before they found I had high cholesterol, heriditary from my mother. I was taking fish oil pills, gemfibrizol, and rantidine. This gas bubble like pain stuck under my rib continued, my bad eating continued, it got to the point where I'd felt like I ate a thanksgiving meal, and despite feeling "full" or nauseous.. I would eat bad, and would still have my drinks. I would also.. sleep a lot.It wasn't until one night between the months of March and May I was drinking and decided to take my temp. I just didn't feel right. It was 99.00, i noticed this over the course of a week. I believe I stopped drinking at this point thinking I had some sort of illness, especially with my episodes of diarrhea. I made a doctor's appointment. There was some pain when the doctor palpitated the area. She said she thought she felt " a mass". She wasn't my regular primary physician but whoever was in the office that day. She ordered me 2 weeks off from work, and to have a complete x ray done of my upper gi. I remember telling my co workers.. that I think I had an ulcer. It was a long two weeks, just wondering what could be so bad that I was out for two weeks for. I had the x-rays done, and everything came back good. I had a follow up with my regular doctor, and I told her I was still feeling the burning, and just not feeling right and she deduced it all down to anxiety as my father and grandmother have it. I was baffled but thought the doctor must be right. So I ignored it, thinking it would just go away. I even googled it, coming across things such as ulcers, gastritis, and pancreatitis. I remember going across the page for pancreatitus and thinking... oh god that sounds god awful, no way I have that. ( haha). Well my pain only got worse. On June 5th, I was on my way to work, I woke up feeling like utter crap, thinking I just wish I didn't have to work today. I got two hours into work, when I was sweating, couldn't concentrate, and was very nauseous. My entire side under that left rib bone hurt, and my lower back did as well. I kept thinking it was gas, or my period was going to begin. I would get that "sickening" back pain feeling before my period too. I believe somewhere between my doctor visits, a blood work appointment wasn't scheduled soon enough to check my cholesterol. The pain was so much that I was doing all I could just to stand. I looked at my one co worker and said " i really don't feel good at all" she just kinda looked at me and turned away. Exhausted, I called out to another supervisor, one i didn't particularly like, but I told her and she took care of it, I went home. I arrived home and couldn't even sit or stand.. nothing was helping the intense pain. We called the doctors office and I was instructed to take 2 ibuprofen, even after describing my symptoms, and to follow up in 2 days if it wasn't better. I used my instincts, and after taking the ibuprofen and the pain not relieving, I said " No, they are wrong, they should have never have told me to do that without seeing me first. My parents drove me to e.r on my urging. At this point I was beginning to dry heave. Once in the e.r room they took a urine sample, and took some blood, and ct scan. It took about an hour. I was puking and they gave me a "gi cocktail" to coat my stomach. I only threw that up too.The doctor came back to tell me, that my lipase/triglyceroid levels were through the roof. 11,000 and that I had acute pancreatitus. At this point my blood was practically turning to slush. I was admitted into the hospital for the first time ever. The pain was tremendous. Burning, acheing, stabbing, but even still to this day I can't even describe or remember clearly what the pain felt like. All I knew was that I had to wait every 2 hours for another shot of morphine, and once I got into the first hour I was whimpering. I also could not pee... for 3 hours so they had inserted a catheter. The next day I was transferred into the ICU. I would drink water, icy water.. and they had a feeding tube placed into my stomach ( I wasn't knocked out for this). I was given iv fluids, morphine every 2 hours, and heparin shots to prevent blood clots. I began to have trouble breathing. I also was not seeming to tolerate regular food, so i think they waited a few days and started the nutritional feeding, and were trying to give me ensure drinks. I literally looked over in fear when they placed the food bag on the rack. I would only feel better when they pumped the air and stuff out of my stomache, when they began the feeding, my stomache felt bloated x50, it hurt. They did another ct scan, and some chest x rays. I was developing pneumonia. At this point my sisters drove from 6 hours away, because I was getting worse. I was now diagnosed with severe acute pancreatitus and pneumonia. My body was swelling with fluid, I could barely walk or anything, I was in so much pain, from the fluid and the pancreas. Any time i got up I lost breath quickly. I was on oxygen. Now 4 days in not much improvement, my levels were better than what they were, but I was still getting worse. They believed I was developing a pseudo cyst on the tail of my pancreas. A week in, with much more labored breathing and throwing up, I was shipped off to another hospital. When I arrived and had another ct scan done, I was told I had Severe Acute Necrotizing Pancreatitis, with pneumonia,pulmonary embolism, and a pseudo cyst. I was given many medications. The tube was also taken out and reinserted to go past by stomach. The food going into my stomach previously was inflaming by pancreas. This way, my pancreas could rest. My breathing was horrible, labored. The last night in the other hospital, I was not being given anymore morphine. I slept a total of 2 hours. The percocet didn't touch the pain. I was happy to be back on morphine. It took another week, when a doctor came up with an idea to get my levels to where they needed to be. Insulin. I was on an insulin drip and had my finger pricked every 1-2 hours. My arm was bruised and swollen from the blood thinners, and the constant blood draws. I had pure hyperlipidemia/hypertriglycerdemia and high cholesterol. A heriditary condition where your body produces too much blood fats. Luckily for me, my necrotizing pancreatitus was not the infectious kind, it was sterile, my kidneys were starting to fail but perked up. My pseudocyst is now gone it was 5 cm. I survived, and was told by the doctor in the hospital i almost died, my sisters said my lips were even blue at one point. I was very lucky and am still traumatized to say the least. I saw my gi doctor in november and he said my pancreas was just about healed. I see him again next month.

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      karen luttrell 8 months ago

      Thank you so extremely much for all of the wonderful advice and stories that have been written here!☺it has given me alot of positive advice, thoughts, and questions for my specialists. I have been living with cp for 10 yrs now and have been told iIhave 10% left of alive pancreas organ left! What should I have happen now?

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      Almost died bit Healthy now 10 months ago

      1/3 of my pancreas died with a severe attack. I did drink some beer, not anymore. Mine was from high triglycerides, my sugar turned to fat which I can't absorb. I'm not diabetic, my family is though. I eat all low fat, only natural sugars in vegetables and 0 fat yogurt. Beef once every 5 days, all fat trimmed off and 4oz of meat of any kind. I get hungry sometimes and go over, pain the next day reminds me to get on track again. I take Natrol fruit and vegetable vitamins as I go to bed. 20mg of lasick a day, 2 liters of Evian or Gerber water a day along with vitamin zero water daily. I'm pretty healthy. Long natural nails now. Oh, Chardon may or Merlot Wine with supper. Wine, if it's dry, is an anti inflammatory. Acruelly helped minor attacks. No beer, if you have GERD. Trust me, and no more then 10 grams of fat at any given time, except for Salmon.

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      Lisa 10 months ago

      Hi, I was seeing stomach specialists as a child up until 7 as I was sick a lot. Then after my 18th birthday I began to get incredible pain that lasted a week at least yearly but often 2 or 3 times a year. I too got told I had heartburn, oesohagitus,IBS. At 29 I finally found out the truth. I am now 37 and life has been great for the last year until a bug hit me and caused it to reoccur. It hasn't shown in my bloods again, never has for some reason.

      Prior to this I had a pancreatic cancer scare 2 years ago but have been pretty much pain free and putting on weight.

      My brother has it and will not change his life style, you would think seeing me with CP would encourage this but there is little I can do. He has so far only had acute episodes and is 40.

      I'm scared, i'm depressed but reading this gives me some hope. It's an isolating illness where I feel I am better single as I would feel a burden on anyone. (Plus my last boyfriend was a narcissist that I believe caused the gross changes whilst I with him. )I do feel a burden on my friends and family already. Often feel forgotten by friends as they carry on life as normal.

      The judgement has been hard, but I have got use to that over the years.

      I am going to try a red meat free diet and buy some supplements after reading this, thank you.

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      brianne 10 months ago

      I'm only 23 years old, i have been to emergency rooms, doctors and specialists and only now after 4 years have i finally got the diagnoses. I have always been looked over because of my age, they always dismissed me and said "its just bad heartburn". I have been s frustrated, iv always wanted an answer. Although it was relieving to know, its a serious condition i wish i never heard of. I am so happy I came across you article.

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      Janet 10 months ago

      It took 8-1/2 months, multiple ER visits, dozens of tests, and 8 different doctors to finally listen to me and diagnose pancreatitis. By then it had gone from acute to chronic. I will now be stuck with it for the rest of my life. I'm still angry that so many doctors refused to listen to me. I'm a smart woman with a technical background and had done a LOT of my own research. I was pretty convinced, just based on geographic location and symptoms, that it was pancreatitis. I mentioned this to every doctor. None would listen. One even rolled his eyes at me (I filed a complaint on him).

      I appreciate your article. My pancreatitis specialist recommended turmeric. I haven't tried vitamin C. I'll add that to the regimen. One thing that has helped me is getting a celiac block a couple of times a year. Dr. Patel uses a (for lack of a better description) side-scanning sonar he invented, attached to an endoscope, to examine my pancreas, drain the cyst, and inject time-release pain blocker medicine directly into my pancreas. It helps tremendously with the pain.

      I'm crossing my fingers that someday they find a cure. In the meantime, I live with acute attacks multiple times a week. Thankfully, each attack duration is less than an hour, but they almost always hit in the middle of the night. So in addition to the frequent pain, I tend to always be sleep deprived.

      It's good to find kindred souls.

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      TheHealthGuy LM 12 months ago from U.S.A.

      hey, whatever works :-)

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      PaulaP912 14 months ago

      My journey with acute and then chronic pancreatitis is like many others. My two tools to recovery were -

      Hyperbaric Oxygen treatment - YES it worked

      Food Addicts in Recovery Anonymous - Simple but not easy. Totally worth it to gain a healthy eating lifestyle with support from others.

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      TheHealthGuy LM 2 years ago from U.S.A.

      You are most welcome for the info. IF you are on prescription meds make sure you talk with your doc and/or pharmacist to find out if grapefruit or grapefruit juice is safe for you. Some medications react in a potential lethal manner with grapefruit so this is extremely important. Good luck to you in your recovery. I hope you never have another attack.

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      trilobite55 2 years ago

      Thanks for the incredibly helpful blog!! My journey with pancreatitis has been short and blessedly mild to now. I've had 3-4 bouts starting this year, and, painful, but I have a high pain tolerance, or they were mild, so none has sent me to the ER. I was diagnosed with pancreatitis on the 2nd try by my PCP, second blessing, and the pain ended in a matter of 24 hours each time, as soon as I cut out fat, alcohol and most sugar. My last bout was yesterday, which drove me back to the computer to see what was "safe" to eat. I already take 400mg ibuprofen for arthritis, so I added another 400 and it has worked. I was on the phone to the Doctor's office yesterday, but hung up when I realized my health insurance doesn't kick in until November. The PCP said we would wait to see if it resolved itself, and if I had another episode she would order tests. I guess I'll begin tests in November, then, but am going to try to see how far diet and supplements take me. I already take Curcumin for the arthritis, so am adding the grape seed and am going to try the grapefruit juice--or rather, I'm going to try to eat 1/2 grapefruit a day. I know it can interfere with certain meds, so my plan is to eat it before or with dinner, as I take the meds in the AM.

      Also, referencing the comment above, Tylenol is deadly!! I haven't used it in years!

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      TheHealthGuy LM 2 years ago from U.S.A.

      Hi greenrazor, sorry to hear you aren't feeling well. Ibuprofen work much better than tylenol and won't destroy your liver. Do you know why you are having AP attacks? Did anyone find a cause? You are probably still healing and if your diet is right you could be simply irritaing your pancreas with bad foods. By the way you can find a lot more info at my blog beatingpancreatitis.com and I check it more often for comments and questions

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      greenrazor 2 years ago

      question,

      was in hospital 4-7-15 thru 4-19-15 for acute panky.icu for 8 days.panky infection,belly,legs and feet swole up.they shoved a tube down my nose [ oww !],catheter[M'fer] main lined my neck,morphine for 10 of those days,couldnt even get out of bed two of the days,paranoid and seeing things because of the morphine.i had an acute attack in 2002 simular but a little less severe.i was in hospital 5 days and seemed like i was back working [ diesel mechanic ] within a week now im 45 Y.O. male been back to work since 4-26-15 but am still somewhat weak,diarrhea and my side's at the bottom of my rib cage hurt especially my left side.tylanol dulls it and hydrac knocks it out for 2 to 3 hours but it comes back.sometime's pretty fierce and others almost no pain but always noticeable.G.I. hospital attending Doc at follow up last week didnt seemed concerned and my regular doc last friday didnt seemed concerned so ? do you think my panky is just still healing causing it or?i cant find any info about what happens after acute panky except your page and i like it.

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      TheHealthGuy LM 2 years ago from U.S.A.

      Hi Diego sorry to hear you are not feeling well. It's amazing that you have lived 63 years with a birth defect (pancreas divisum) and have not had a problem until now. Does anyone know why the PD caused AP at this late date yet went for all those years without a problem? Maybe your specialist will be able to shed some light on the subject. It is normal to be lost, depressed and worried. However, you can do research and learn about pancreas divisum and what your options are in regards to treatment. I believe in many cases they can surgically fix pancreas divisum, usually by stenting if my memory serves me correctly. However, that does involve some risk. Like I said maybe your specialist can shed light on your situation. It may not be all that bad unless you sustained a lot of damage via your AP attack.

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      Diego 2 years ago

      I recently spent 6 days in the hospital with AP. I am 63 and and do not consume much alcohol. I am fit and run 5 miles every other day.

      This was my first attack ever and am nervous for my long term health and longevity. Initial cause of my attack was pancreas divisum.

      I'm lost, depressed and worried about dying. I have been out of the hospital about a week and have not yet had a follow-up with the specialist.

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      TheHealthGuy LM 2 years ago from U.S.A.

      Katrina you'll soon know if the enzymes are an important item. IF he strictly adheres to a pancreatitis friendly low fat diet and still is having symptoms (bloating, nausea) after eating he probably needs them. Otherwise, if he improves he may be fine without them now.

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      Katrina 2 years ago

      Does it have a bad affect if he doesn't take the enzymes?

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      TheHealthGuy LM 2 years ago from U.S.A.

      You're welcome Katrina. Hope he begins to feel better. You can find more info on my blog.

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      Katrina 2 years ago

      Hi!! My boyfriend has had chronic pancreatitis for 7 years now but refuses to take enzymes to help him digest the food, he is now getting numbness in his legs but when he changes his position he's okay again so I'm not sure if he's got a trapped nerve or if it's related to his pancreas. Just like everyone else he is in pain daily as he is eating fatty foods everyday and hasn't got a stable diet, however after reading this blog I will defiantly be changing his diet and making sure it's low fat and he's taking the grape seed and curcuming capsules but I can't get him to take the enzymes. God bless you and Thank you for taking your time out to help others and raising people's hopes as doctors just say people with the disease have very limited time to live.

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      TheHealthGuy LM 2 years ago from U.S.A.

      I'm not a doctor and can't give medical advice but if it were my uncle or dad I'd go to the store (sears, etc) and buy a black and decker juicer for about $30. I'd go to a health/vitamin store and buy pure grape seed extract, pure curcumin, pure vitamin C (pure with no other compounds that could be toxic) and colloidal silver (kills bacteria and viruses). Make sure you get capsules (grape seed, curcumin and C) that you can open and empty out. Then to a grocery store to buy organic tomatoes, cucumber, celery, spinach, watercress, carrots, onion and garlic. Use the juicer to make about one quart of fresh, organic vegetable juice and put it into a container (mason jar or even a plastic bottle you have cleaned thoroughly). Then I'd put in the fresh juice about 30 dropper fulls of colloidal silver, 1000 mgs of grape seed extract, 1500 mgs of curcumin and 3000 mgs of vit C and shake it until it is nicely mixed. Then I'd give my uncle/dad a small amount maybe an ounce to see how he tolerated it. If it stays down I'd give it to him every 30 minutes. IF he doesn't tolerate an ounce every 30 minutes I'd back off and try again in an hour or so with another ounce and then an ounce every hour to see how that worked. The stuff has to stay down in order to work. I'd also remove and ban ANY food by mouth except the organic vegetable juice with the supplements. I'd also ask his physcian to give him the equivalent of 800 mgs of ORAL Ibuprofen via IV. The IV amount may be different. ONLY Ibuprofen (anti-inflammatory drug) not some mix of something. IF they won't do that, for some reason, I'd ask why. If I heard some weird excuse like it isn't protocol, not approved or won't do any good then while I was at the store I'd buy Ibuprofen. Advil is Ibuprofen. Just make sure it is Ibuprofen and nothing else. It usually comes in 200 mgs tablets. IF you can find capsules that would even be better! Then you could mix it into his juice as well. By the way that juice will most likely taste AWFUL with those supplements and Ibuprofen mixed in but I'm thinking it will help and may be tolerated ok. That is what I'd do IF it were me and my relative. I'd also pray, a lot. God works some awesome miracles!

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      Waqas 2 years ago

      I dont even know if you still view this page author but I needed some info. My uncle had an acute necrotising pancreatitis and went on a ventilator. He remained on the vent for 14 days in ICU before he was operated (major surgery). His pancreas were severely inflammed and he too much infection in his body as the WBC count was always rising. He has been in the hospital for almost 3 months now and have gone through 1 major surgery and 3-4 ERCP. He has 2 permanent drains in his abdominal area to suck out the infection and they ocasionally add a 3rd one as well depending upon the infection. The doctor has tried several anti biotics and surgeries but the infection doesnt go away. He has fever every now and then and getting weaker every day. We r absolutely clueless about doctor's approach and what will happen and any help would be greatly appreciated.

      P.S he cant eat or drink himself and is fed by drips etc. He tries light intake of food but either vomits or cannot digest. At this moment he can consume liquid food only.

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      TheHealthGuy LM 2 years ago from U.S.A.

      IF the blood was bright or dark red and coming from the anus it was most likely due to the attack and your gastro should be advised. I have no knowledge of pancreatitis causing urinary problems. Bowel problems yes, urinary no. I was simply talking about stenting, not TP/AIT. I have doubts about the long-term out come for most patients who undergo TP/AIT. I can NOT find any good reviews that are over 5 years old. It sounds like you have a pretty good gastro. Don't hold the diet and alcohol thing against him/her. I haven't met a doctor yet who is knowledgable about diet when it concerns a danaged pancreas. Many seem to think alcohol is even ok as long as you are not an alcoholic or do not have the genetic variant that increases the risk of alcoholic pancreatitis. Good luck HL I hope you find healing :-)

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      H L 2 years ago

      Thank you for your response. Regarding the bleeding, no I did not; I am female and therefore wasn't certain exactly why that was happening (although it was definitely not at the right time for the usual reason, so I believe it was due to the attack).

      My second question was: are you aware of this having an effect on using the bathroom at all? Two years ago that was where the symptoms started and sent me on a wild goose chase (UTI, most doctors just blindly believed, although it wasn't, and various other ideas relating to that). It was expensive and scary, as I had my very worst attack in the first year, and no one seemed to know why.

      Thanks very much for your responses. I will find out what people that had the surgery for pancreas divisum think. I am not sure I want to do the surgery, as after that you can't really get it back.

      I still have a fairly positive view of the gastro. After 2 years and a correct diagnosis I will forgive him just about anything. However, I'm not happy that I've been playing Russian roulette *without knowing it* ever since.

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      TheHealthGuy LM 2 years ago from U.S.A.

      H L I'm sorry you are having a rough time. Did you go to the ER when you started bleeding? If not, you should have. You were obviously bleeding due to the attack. The pancreas can actually hemorrhage, most likely due to the enzymes eating away at blood vessel tissue or cells rupturing due to inflammation. Anyway bleeding is something that should never be taken lightly.

      I don't know why docotrs don't tell people that diet and alcohol should be adjusted (diet) and alcohol totally restricted. It is dangerous. A far as I am concerned if someone wants to remain ill most doctors (not all) will be glad to help because they make ZERO money from well people. And because they have that sheep skin that says they are an M.D. and a license to "practice" medicine that they are pretty much omnipotent. Unfortunately when it comes to pancreatitis most are severely lacking in competency.

      I hope I answered both your questions if not tell me where I missed the boat and I'll regroup. Remember I'm NOT a doctor. I'm only an opinionated quack so make sure you do your own research and do what seems to make the most sense to you. IF I were you I'd join some support groups not for advice on diet etc becuase most of those folks in support groups are sick and don't actually know what a good diet for pancreatitis is anyway. They follow their docs advice but what I'd want to know and what I'd try to find out IF I were you (pancreas divisum) is I'd try to find others with the defect and ask what they have had done to correct it, if it worked, for how long, about complications they may have personally experienced and whether they would do it again (this last questions answer really tells the story). Of course you're looking for someone who has had the stenting done to see what their actual results were. I'd do that asap so you have a good idea what to expect should you decide to go ahead. Good luck!

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      H L 2 years ago

      Hi,

      I came across this page after a recent attack in which the pain under my ribs for the last 2 years was so intense I couldn't believe it. I even started bleeding for no reason I know of, and this was after a night of drinking.

      Here's the thing. I've been seen everywhere for this mysterious problem. Recently, no less than TWO doctors diagnosed me with pancreatitis, but in a very offhand 'oh well you've got this but we'll keep looking' way. Not a word about diet or alcohol or any of the things I started discovering when I finally started to look that up.

      The second doctor, a gastroenterologist, I can at least say was good enough to put me through a lot of tests and found out that I have pancreatic divisum as well as cholecystitis. He told me I would need surgery to have a stent put in to fix the divisum and that I would need my gall bladder removed. However, he said it was not a big deal or an emergency, that he'd had patients come to him after 10 years with it and they were fine after the surgery. He said to get it done within 6 months or I would have chronic pancreatitis and there was nothing he could do.

      However, the first doctor also said I had 'recurrent pancreatitis' and the gastro sent me a letter referring to 'pancreatic attacks' as well. Neither doctor said a word about alcohol or diet, although the gastro asked about my drinking habits. In fact, the night before one of the tests, I asked if it was okay if I drank. He said it was.

      I seem to be discovering that pancreatitis - regardless of how you got it, in my case the birth defect - responds to alcohol the same way, that is, *don't drink it!* Also, that diet is very important.

      Now that I had that severe attack and the bleeding seems to have stopped (5 days later), I am exhausted, have quit drinking, and am changing my diet. The last two days were the first time in the last two years that I didn't wake up with horrible pain under my rib.

      That said, I have two questions. One is why the doctors didn't tell me about these dietary restrictions? It seems so dangerous for them to not have done so.

      Secondly, whether any of the other organs are effected; using the bathroom for example, as these were the first symptoms I ever noticed and spent a good long time with doctors trying to figure out what was wrong in that area (nothing at all, as it turns out, and yet the symptoms remain). Are you aware of any reason for this that would be associated with pancreatitis, and whether the dietary change might eliminate the symptoms for good?

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      TheHealthGuy LM 2 years ago from U.S.A.

      Hi Shawn - yup sounds to me from all the research I've done (I'm NOT a doctor) that you may definitely suffer fom SOD and possibly gallstones or at least sludge. In that event you should NOT use turmeric or curcumin. Either one increases bile flow like you mentioned and that could become a serious issue. If your Sphincter of Oddi spasm due to the use of curcumin or turmeric that increased bile flow could cause acute pancreatitis. If you have had a diagnosis of CP it is even more important to avoid any more pancreas damage.

      Instead of curcumin, I'd use grape seed extract in combination with vitamin C and grapefruit seed extract. Appropriate doses of those 3 supplements should help you find the resolution. Now Foods Grape Seed extract in 100 mg v caps comes with 300 mgs of C in each cap. You get a "twofor" with that product and I use it myself. I'd do at least 200 mgs of grape seed 3 - 4 times a day and the grapefruit seed extract ( ONE tab) 2 times per day. Both the grape seed extract and C will help resolve inflammation and the grapefruit seed extract was proven in one study to protect the pancreas against acute pancreatitis.

      NOTE: IF you are on prescription medication check with your doc to find out if there is any reason you can NOT use/eat grapefruit BEFORE taking it. Some prescription meds DO NOT work with grapefruit and can actually be lethal.

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      Shawn 2 years ago

      Ok early 2014, I began experiencing gallbladder pain and while I cannot prove I passed a small stone or stones, I know something had taken place which caused me great pain and at my age I am pretty in tune with my body. Fast forward past all the Ultra sounds the CTs the MRCPs and no one could find anything wrong, however my pain I had experienced change! I no longer had pain but now was experiencing hot burning sensations below the area of my original pain. I would explain to my primary and GI doc that I could feel my gallbladder swell and contract and would get sharp pinching pains that moved, so since the docs did nothing I began to do a liver detox and gallbladder flush, soon after I began to feel great for exactly 5 months. In this time I also began taking a joint supplement with high levels of Glucosamine which in research causes the death of pancreatic cells. www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/10/101027111349.htm. The formula in which I was taking also had Tumeric. I am going longer but bare with me. Now remember I had been symptom free for 5 month and then had one of the worst cramping pains followed by the most sever burning pain I had experienced. I believe my gallbladder was once more filled with slug and had released it and the increased Tumeric while it is good had increased the bill flow and having either passed a stone and possibly having scared the Sphincerter, my belief is I created the perfect storm. A live that was not healthy and a gallbladder that still retained slug and a sphincter that may have been scared and even more a pancreas that had already endured some scaring from the original on set of this nightmare. Now had a EUS on the 18th and was given the CP DX and had still been taking Tumeric on its own but had switched to the curcumin and had the worst reaction of swelling and burning I had every experianced after the 3rd day I was ready to check myself in, But I took the Advil and supplements minus the curcumin and all stopped. I believe I either have an SOD issue and I also know the EUS played it's role. But to be safe I am going to avoid the curcumin for now but having read all the good on it I want it as one of my supplements and will try it again after I feel I have healed enough. Sorry ran long!

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      TheHealthGuy LM 2 years ago from U.S.A.

      Hi Shawn, Semper Fi! You are welcome. Sorry to hear you have joined the pancreatitis hall of pain. I know it sucks but it can get better. I understand correctly you are doing better?

      Fruits are great just not over ripe. Bananas seem to turn to alcohol quicker than others so when they have more than a couple spots on the peels it is time to avoid them.

      I gotta ask - do you have gallstones or SOD? If so I understand totally. If not what did curcumin do that was unpleasant? How much did you take to create the unwanted symptoms? Just curious. Some folks just don't do well with curcumin cuz it irritates their stomach, especially at higher doses.

      Keep up the progress in healing. I hope you feel better soon.

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      shawn 2 years ago

      Dec 18th inducted into the CP hall of fame. by the grace of GOD I found your various blogs and have digested them daily. Fasted for 3 days should have gone longer. Started out on Vegie broth that HealthyGuy provided thank you since I was clueless as to where to start. Am know up to Vegie juice, grapefruit juice, Vegie soup with lentil now...Yaaaa! after not being able to eat and feeling like death I never knew how good food could taste. I would definitely like to see something on fruit as you mentioned in one of your replies to another viewer. I have always loved my fruit and being that I am ignorant to the fruit alcohol aspect feel victim to it when I introduced it to the diet..what he'll that was. And no I am not saying avoid fruit just be aware of the age. fruit its good and healthy except the ones mentioned in the blogs. I do take the supplements daily so everyone take them. I am still taking them 4 times a day and the fruit anti. Cannot take the curcumin found out the hard way, however I will try it again in 6mnths test the waters. thank you HealthyGuy for time, your wealth of knowledge and your willingness to share it. Thanks Avid reader. Semper Fi!

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      TheHealthGuy LM 2 years ago from U.S.A.

      Hi Dlim83 - sorry I missed this comment and it has taken so long to respond. ERCP is kinda dangerous. It causes post procedure AP (acute pancreatitis) much to often. I, personally, probably wouldn't have that procedure done unless a doc could prove to me that it is the only way of saving my life. My personal opinion, and this IS only an opinion, a very uneducated opinion, is that anytime a doctor invasively tests or looks at a pancreas they usually do more harm than good. One little mistake, one scar etc can create a lifetime of hellish problems so, unless an invasively, surgical procedure is actually necessary to save my life it isn't gonna happen, BUT, that's me and my thoughts. I am NOT always right. You need to look at the research available, ask your doc exactly why he wants to do it, if the procedure isn't done are you going to die and if you were his child would he still do it? I'd also ask people who have had ERCP done, stents placed etc whether the procedure was worth it and if they'd do it again.

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      TheHealthGuy LM 2 years ago from U.S.A.

      I have to admit I really Like your thoughts regarding most doctors (laughing my ass off) and have had similar visions myself! Here's what I'd suggest - do searchs on the net for scholar type papers regarding conditions/diseases that raise amylase levels. I have to admit the docs may be right but they may also be wrong. Lipase most always rises with ACUTE pancreatitis. It does take about 4 hours of agony for both lipase and amylase to rise. With CP sometimes lipase and amylase levels are increased and sometimes they are normal. If the pancreas is damaged enough it may not be producing enzymes any longer and so enzymes don't rise even in those who are acutely ill. You'd know if that were the case cuz you'd be almost dead (guessing), at the very least, very ill. Anyway ...

      Keep the faith, keep looking for a doc who will actually LOOK for answers. Good luck to you.

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      TheHealthGuy LM 2 years ago from U.S.A.

      Hi Joyce! Of course I remember you. Sorry to hear your daughter is having difficulty. Now remember I am NOT a dodctor and quite honestly have not researched pregnancy and grape seed extract/curcumin that much but ...

      OB's give their pregnant patients pre-natal vitamins. I would conclude that normal, every day vitamins are fine. I have "skimmed" a couple med sites on grape seed during pregnancy and none recommend it but that is mainly because they don't know anything about it. I'm sure if grape seed extract (comes from grapes) were a horrible thing that grapes themselves, their juice etc would be taken off a pregnant woman's food list but that doesn't seem to be the case.

      I didn't check curcumin. I'd suggest investing an hour or two researching that particular subject. I should do so as well and write a blog post about what I find.

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      mangodashindia 2 years ago

      Hey, very nice site. I came across this on Google, and I am stoked that I did. I will definitely be coming back here more often. Wish I could add to the conversation and bring a bit more to the table, but am just taking in as much info as I can at the moment. Thanks for sharing.

      Keep Posting:)

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      BrokenPancreasMan 2 years ago

      I am so glad I found this page. I have been have issues for over a year now. I don't know what the problem is because all doctors I have seen haven't a clue what is going on.

      After much persistence on my wife's part I had Lipase and Amylase checked. Lipase was normal but Amylase was 7 times normal and more recently 10 times normal. Wife insisted on amylase electrophoresis which showed it was pancreatic and elastase which was normal. My levels have been monitored for 3 months now and amylase is always 7 to 10 times normal and lipase is normal. The docs won't diagnose CP because they say normal lipase and elastase rule that out especially since amylase is so high. Is this correct? Surely they are wrong.

      I have not had acute attacks. It seems to have been progressive. My issues started with reflux issues which I have now pinpointed to bile reflux. I get on and off mild pain in my upper left back. The weird thing is I can't think of any trigger. I don't drink alcohol. I had been on a low fat diet for 3+ years. No trauma to abdomen. I don't even know if what I have is pancreatitis but I highly suspect it is because there is no much else. CT and MRCP were normal. Docs are stumped and say I am too young to have anything serious (I'm 29).

      I feel your frustration with Docs. When sitting in there rooms listening to their BS I spend the time day dreaming about various ways I'd like to kill them. I've come up with some pretty gory scenarios. It's quite therapeutic.

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      Joyce Broyles 2 years ago

      Hello there..I have not sent you a message in awhile. I did have your email address but somehow lost it. I am the one that sent you the info on Dr. Whitcomb's video. My daughter is the one with pancreatic . She tried all you suggested and has been better and certainly has not had relapse just still pain and nausea. I wanted to ask you about pregnancy and still taking all the supplements. Of course when we ask her doctors they have no idea what we are even talking about. She just found out and now is 8 weeks, for the first time though her enzymes came back elevated which is worrisome. And of course she is having more pain. I do not know if hormones have anything to do with the pancrease but I do know they effect alot more than anyone knows.She did not intend on getting pregnant untill she felt better and felt it was safe but God had different plans I suppose. This is her first and she is 33. She has back off of some of the supplements and was wondering if that could be why her enzymes went up or just hormonal? I know this maybe out of normal request but if you are your followers have any input it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you again for all you do and your time.

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      Dlim83 3 years ago

      Hi i was diagnosed with pancreatitis when i was 13. Had a few relapses but it somehow went away until recently, 17 yrs later i had another attack and a few relapses till present. so 5 months and 3 relapses later, i went for an MRI and was diagnosed with pancreatic duct stones due to the several attacks in the past 5 mths. The doctor recommended ercp with possible stent placement if neccesary, but considering the amount of bad feedbacks on the procedure, do u think i should do it? Is there any other option that you know which might remove the stones or at least make it not grow bigger? I'd been following your diet program (vegan & oil free) for a month now and had been consuming grapeseed extract, curcumin, and vit c on a daily basis. Doctor had also prescribed creon to eat with my meals. I notice that a 40min treadmill actually help to remove the pain permanently for the day during relapses (at least till the next day), i don't know if anybody else is experiencing the same experience. Please give me some advice on whether i should do the ercp and if there's other options? Appreciate your help and support. Am so glad i found this blog!

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      TheHealthGuy LM 3 years ago from U.S.A.

      @ehealthcity: I seem to be missing a lot of comments. I apologize. I can't give medical advice but if it were my kid I'd do exactly what I did for myself (diet, supplements, Ibuprofen) with changes in dosing for Ibuprofen to fit body weight.

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      pgamble 3 years ago

      @lucaspro: hello Lucaspro,

      just reading your post and i hope you don't mind me responding to what you stated in your post. First of all i dont have pancreatitis, but my brother does, he has been dealing with this illness for over three years now and he stays in and out of the hospital due to so much pain that pancreatitis causes. However,he is dealing with chronic pancreatitis and it is far worst than acute. I noticed that you said your girlfriend consumes alcohol which is not good at all, as of now alcohol is her biggest enemy. My brother has never drinked but still ended up getting this horriable disease that keeps him hurting every single day. I hope that your girlfriend will take this disease serious and give up alcohol. I also pray that God will heal her pancreas. Take Care!!

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      ehealthcity 3 years ago

      Is there anybody who will answer on this: How to reduce pancreatitis in children? Advance thanks.

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      lucaspro 3 years ago

      My girlfriend is 21 years old and she has had Pancreatitis on four separate occasions. I feel as if i can't get any answers anywhere about what caused this and i am really concerned with her health. I've read that prescription pills, alcohol or bad diet (basically nobody knows) can have a negative effect on the pancreas. She is sort of a heavy drinker, i mean we're young, we like to party, but i don't understand why it's effecting her like that. She doesn't drink anymore than the average 21 year old and it's not an everyday thing. I feel like the doctors are stating it is alcohol induced because they really have no clue and all they know about her is that she has a couple of nights a week that she likes to drink. Since her last spout with it(about 2 months ago) we have not been drinking, but she has been taking prescription pills quite often (oxycodone, hydrocodone). She seems fine as of now, but we also did this the last time she had Pancreatitis. I mean we did end up drinking again, but we were careful as to not overdo it. What worries me is that the prescription pill intake has not slowed down (hydrocodone, oxycodone) and now she is considering a prescription for ADHD medication. What effect could the prescription pills have on her pancreas? Will she have to stop drinking forever? Will her pancreas ever fully recover to were we need not worry ourselves?

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      TheHealthGuy LM 3 years ago from U.S.A.

      @MeirSprecher: I'm sorry but I have no idea how to get a prescription drug SAFELY without a doctor's approval (written prescription). There are dubious online sellers of that sort of thing but that isn't a safe way to get what you want. Good luck to you in your search and I hope your wife heals up and is able to stay well.

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      MeirSprecher 3 years ago

      Hi,

      How are you, Mr "ThehealthGuy"

      I write to you in the name of my wife who has many "diseases". She is semiblind, has coeliakie and now also pancreatitis. I wrote to you sometimes (2, 3x) and you always answered quite quick. My thanks and appriciation for that.

      My wife had a very strong attack three weeks ago, including 4 days on intensive care, due to a starting of general organ breakdown. God be praised, she survived and is now again at home prepairing dinner for shabat (we live in Israel and are jewish)

      But the question is: We cannot order Viokase here in Israel or in Europe. The doctor said it would be good to try Viokase instead of Creon (the European drug) This as the ratio of the three enzymes in those two drugs are quit different and maybe the viokase ratio would be better for the particular enzyme housekeeping of her body. Maybe you would know how to get Viokase. Her docter is quit willing to proveide all nececary papers with the pharmacy.

      Thanks again for your help and health to all readers and writers on this blog.

      Meir A. Sprecher and Chana N. Sprecher-Afriat

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      TheHealthGuy LM 3 years ago from U.S.A.

      @antago1: Wow sorry I missed your comment! Unfortunately I can't diagnose conditions because I do not have an M.D. so doing so would be illegal. Ultra sound is good for checking for gallstones but isn't the best for viewing the pancreas. The CT is pretty much the deal. EUS and MRI are good. MRI is in some ways better for looking at soft tissue that CT but the CT is the best diagnostic tool along with enzyme levels.

      IF it were me I'd find a good gastroenterologist and have a chat. See if someone could actually pinpoint my problem, draw a conclusion and formulate a proper treatment plan.

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      TheHealthGuy LM 3 years ago from U.S.A.

      @tina-desjardins-39: Hi Tina - I'm sorry you have pancreatitis and that it has taken me so long to see this comment and answer. It's true that the body needs some fat in the diet. Unfortunately with those of us who have pancreatitis we have to choose between what may happen someday versus what is actually happening now. I don't know how else to say this so I just be my normal blunt self ...

      Acute pancreatitis can kill you. Chronic pancreatitis can make you wish you were dead. So one has to choose between two evils and decide which one is best to avoid. Since I learned my next meal could be the one that ends my life (no drama, pure fact) I have chosen to address acute and chronic pancreatitis versus whatever could happen later due to an extremely low fat diet.

      I quote you: "I have never had an acute attack but my attacks were more mild, pain in top of abdomen wrapping around to the back." Trust me Tina you don't want an acute pancreatitis attack. The pain in most cases, whether severe or mild acute, is extreme. I just had a guy comment on my blog saying he has been shot (gun shot) and would prefer being shot to having another acute attack. I've had women say they have had several kids and would much prefer labor and birth versus another acute pancreatitis attack.

      Plus severe acute causes necrosis, dead and or dying pancreas tissue. If the necrosis becomes infected that could lead to surgical removal of the dead, infected pancreas issue and then the whole situation changes because of the tremendous damage that may or may not ever heal properly. Severe acute pancreatitis opens the door to complications such as acities, psuedocysts, organ failure and internal bleeding. And ...

      The mortality rate can be as high as 30%.

      Again, I have chatted with to many people who have suffered this fate and lived. Most live with extreme pain, nausea, vomiting, some with diabetes and more. Some have a pancreas so calcified it's basically bone.

      Chronic pancreatitis if not checked (put into remission) can lead to a horrible daily existence and death. So again, I made the choice to do everything I could to check chronic pancreatitis, put it in "remission" so to speak by avoiding almost everything that could possible promote it further because here's the scary part ...

      The pain of chronic pancreatitis can become much more than twinges or sharp pains that last minutes and go. The pain can become just like acute pancreatitis pain and be intractable, constant. Imagine pain so bad that it breaks through the most powerful narcotics and is CONSTANT and have to live with that day in and day out.

      I'm NOT trying to scare you or anyone else. I'm just pointing out that someone with chronic pancreatitis who does NOT do what is necessary to put it in remission, resolve the inflammation could end up exactly like I just portrayed. And sometimes it doesn't take long to escalate. You may be in deep kimchee if you have an acute attack.

      I know one woman who has lived with a bad case of unresolved chronic pancreatitis now for 19 years! She wakes up in pain, with nausea and vomits (normal morning routine). Sometimes the pain is so bad it brings her to her knees. She is one strong woman and very rarely misses a day of work but damn! That is one lousy way to have to live. So ...

      The jist of my answer is what do you want to do? Worry about your brain (memory), diabetes (which chronic pancreatitis can definitely cause), osteoporosis or pancreatitis?

      If you have any more questions visit my blog at beatingpancreatitis.com and leave a comment. I see those a lot faster. Good luck Tina and I wish you better days :-)

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      tina-desjardins-39 3 years ago

      Hi ,

      I was diagnosed with chronic pancreatitis recently. I'm a 53 year old female. I have never had an acute attack but my attacks were more mild, pain in top of abdomen wrapping around to the back. I was never an alcoholic.doctor are not sure why in have this disease but i do have mild scarring on my pancreas. I want in much pain when I first started seeing my GI doctor. I now have intermittent upper back pain under bra strap and get a filleting sharper pain in front upper abdomen that goes as fast as it comes. These pains are mild but daily.

      I've read your post and been on a strict low fat diet with chicken and turkey and salmon.ive been on this diet since November 2013.i take creon and also the supplements you suggested except for the cumcirin because I just had ulcers before and it may be tough on my stomache. Now I'm thinking I should just go vegan till there's no pain unless it's too late for me for 6 months.

      Here is my concern I have read that your brain needs fat to stay healthy and your organs as well. I have osteopenia but i know this disease can lead to osteoporosis .So I was taking a vitamin D capsule and a capsule of primrose oil if I stop the fat meaning zero fat and I'm small already could you end up being malnourished or can a person truly get by and stay healthy on very little oil?

      Secondly if I give up meat how much grams of carbohydrates should I have in a meal because I definitely do not want to become a diabetic?

      I feel this disease can make a person feel very alone! Your basically told you have here's some enzymes and good bye. When you really want to have some control to be able to help yourself and there's so many ppl out there who are alternative and will say oh sure they can help but they all have such different approaches who knows what to do. It's hard to know who to trust.

      If you could please address those 2 questions especially the one about fat I would be grateful since I really want to commit to this and try to stop the inflammation.

      And any other information would be helpful as well .

      Thankyou again

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      TheHealthGuy LM 3 years ago from U.S.A.

      @Styxman: Oil is oil. Even if it's GOOD oil it is still oil/fat.

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      TheHealthGuy LM 3 years ago from U.S.A.

      @freddybear: Hi Freddybear - yeah I have heard of that, in fact mine started that way. If you read my story you'll see where after I was hurt playing ball I suffered from nausea and heart burn. Pain came on several years later. Not real common but it does happen.

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      JennZZ5508 3 years ago

      @freddybear: Freddy. Would love to hear your story. I haven't been diagnosed but know I have recurrent AP or CP. But moderate pain with no vomiting. Would love to hear what took you to a doctor and what scans or tests he did to determine your diagnosis.

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      Styxman 3 years ago

      Where do flax oil and omega III fit into restrictions on oil?

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      freddybear 3 years ago

      I was diagnosed with chronic pancreatitis in July. Everything I have been researching talks about the pain.I have some nausea but no pain, have you ever heard of pancreatitis without any pain?

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      antago1 3 years ago

      I came to this page last night and now I can't leave! Such a blessing!

      Hey, my name is Tag. I've just turned 29 and I'm a recovering alcoholic. I've been socially drinking since 18, but I've turned to binge drinking for the last few years. This past summer, I've been experiencing some left-side sharp/burning back pain. Feels like something is moving around and pushing nerves around in there. I'm beginning to feel it in the middle of my abdomen and back as well. My indigestion is getting really bad (whenever I do eat) and I have little to no appetite, nausea (no vomit), and low energy. Since my first episode, I've been to the ER over 10 times for back and abdominal discomfort/pain, within the last couple months (sometimes twice in one day).

      A couple weeks ago, my PCP diagnosed me with Vitamin D defiency and told me that my lipase was normal and my amylase was a little raised (which it had been since my hospital visit, over 7 yrs ago. Normal < 40-140 and mines < 141-147, up and down). I began feeling a little better after my prescription of 50,000IU Vitamin D2 was filled, hoping for change! And I did get a little better! My girl thought that it would be a good idea to grab some wine (bad idea), in celebration of me not getting a 'Diagnosis of Death', since I'm a hypochondriac. (Shaking my head). This was the worst idea, as I decided to drink a glass of red wine three nights in a row! Third day, I started feeling sick again! And here I am now!

      So...my most recent ER results were: Normal Lipase, Normal Amylase, with all pancreas and liver function tests < NORMAL! In addition, they did two abdominal ultrasound tests, which showed nothing wrong with my liver nor pancreas! I demanded a CT scan, but the nurse felt that it wasn't necessary. She dismissively said that she'd speak to the head doctor, but to no avail. Five minutes later, she had an assistant attempt to issue me 'discharge' papers. I quickly rejected them and told the assistant that I'm still in PAIN, and to tell the nurse that! The "nurse" soon avoided me for the rest of my time in the ER, until I decided to leave (being that I was technically discharged).

      One day later....Here I am, in bed with no energy and I'm afraid to eat anything. I have a juicer that I use daily and I've been juicing and eating raw veggies for two months now. I'm concerned to have a chronic disease that may change my life drastically (for the worst)! Obviously I cannot be diagnosed over the Internet, but do you know what kind of condition that I may have?

      Thanks in advance,

      Tag

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      TheHealthGuy LM 4 years ago from U.S.A.

      @MeirSprecher: Hi MeirSprecher, I am glad your wife is finding relief! I too am a Celiac and from my research I can tell you that Celiac Disease IS linked to pancreatitis. There are quite a number of autoimmune diseases linked to pancreatitis, (Sjorgren's Syndrome, RA, Lupus, CD and more). I use NOW Foods Grape Seed Extract because it is gluten free but it also contains vit C and is a good value. Jarrows is gluten free as well and I use their curcumin. Remember the diet! It is BOTH diet and supplements that create the real healing. Good luck to you and your wife :-)

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      TheHealthGuy LM 4 years ago from U.S.A.

      @anonymous: Hi Charvi, since 5 years old? That sucks. Until I started writing about my experiences and looking for new stuff I didn't even know kids were afflicted with pancreatitis in fact as I have mentioned previously I figured since most docs couldn't even recognize the symptoms that I was kinda by myself lol. Let us know how the grape seed extarct works out for you. Some people get relief with small doses, with others it takes a bunch. So what I did is I just kept increasing until I noticed a difference and then increased a bit more and stayed there. That with diet made ALL the difference.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Hi

      I was diagnosed with acute pancreatitis when I was 5. Even I can't count the number of episodes till now. I am 24 now. Thank you for sharing your experience. I would like to share some other things I do during an episode that help me:

      1. sounds lame but it does help: put a towel dipped in cold water on your abdomen (this is something I learned from naturopathy)

      2. as and when your pain subsides start with sips of tender coconut water..it works wonders for me!

      3. I couldn't agree more when you said if you do't feel hungry don't eat..listen to your body..it will tell you what to do..if you have just introduced soft food after staying on liquids for a couple of days to give your pancreas some rest and you again start feeling some discomfort or pain..stop and go back one step..back to liquids..

      4. it is idiosyncratic.. each one needs to figure out what works best for them.

      5. stress and lifestyle also plays an important role..eating at regular intervals..small meals..regular exercise (not very intense)..(Typically I don't exercise a couple of weeks after an episode)

      6. most important your will power..to just bounce back each time.. you can't afford to loose it..

      there's a lot more to say..I ll add to it later..

      thanks a lot for sharing. I plan to try grape seed!

      good luck :)

      Charvi

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      MeirSprecher 4 years ago

      Dear Sir,

      My wife was diagnosed with acute pancreatitis in Feb. 2012. Since then she has had 12 further serious acute attacks. Her gallbladder was taken out and still she had attacks. We found your site and started with grape seed, curcumin and strict diet. Now the last months the attacks come wider apart in time and are of lower magnitude. She started to ta Creon pills on order of her doctor. That helped too, I think. These pills provide to digestive system with a supplement of the enzymes the pancreas creates, thus relieving the stress on the pancreas.

      My wife was diagnosed as having Celiac disease (allergy to Gluten) at the age of 49. I think both these diseases of the digestive tract are connected,but cannot find support for this.

      Thank you for providing us with hope that you can live with these diseases.

      By the way, being Jewish and living in Israel I can tell you that one of our famous rabbi's, "RAMBAM", he was the doctor to Salah a Din in the 15th century, and is by many believed to be one of the fathers of modern medicine, already wrote about the medical powers of Grape seed, Curcumine and many other natural herbs.

      PS. I found many products of grape seed via amazon. do you have some you advise?

      Thanks and again, you gave us hope.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @anonymous: hello everyone my name is patricia and Im leaving this message on behalf of my brother, he have been suffering from chronic pancreatitis for over two years. Its so sad to say that my brother never have a good day.,his illness has taken a hugh impact on the entire family. Its so hard to see someone you love in so much pain. My brother hurts so bad until he be balled up in pain on the floor.he was just discharged from the hospital yesterday. I dont know whats going to take place with this situation. Every time he has a flare up he ends up with anurism which is very dangerous. the doctor said that his pancreas is almost burned out. The doctor also said that his pancreas is to damage to be removed. the pain just never stop its only get worst.and the doctors dont really seem to care they dont do a good job at all helping my brother with the pain he is going through. Its real bad when you in the hospital in still have to suffer

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      Chocolatealchemy 4 years ago from London, United Kingdom

      What a great Lens - you've shared so much valuable info, thank you. I'm going to pass this on to someone I know who has pancreatitis. Here's to radiant glowing health!

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      happynutritionist 4 years ago

      I don't have Pancreatitis, and am sorry for the pain you've been through, but am also so grateful that it has lead to such a resource as this page is. Thank you for sharing so much, and such wonderful natural solutions. Be well!

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      TheHealthGuy LM 4 years ago from U.S.A.

      @anonymous: Hi Jay thank you for the kind words and congrats on overcoming your thirst for alcohol. I commend you! Keep up the great job and continue healing. I wish you the best my friend.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      @TheHealthGuy LM: Hi HG, congratulations you are doing gr8 job.I was diagnosed with AP 10 months before due to Alcohol. thankfully the doctor quickly realized the problem and I was hospitalized for over a week. since then I stopped drinking with the help of AA. currently I am not on any medication and I really want to share that grapefruit juice is really wonderful, in addition to that i drink green juice (spinach, celery, coriander) with ginger and lime.

      keep the good work going. thx.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Rick,

      Thanks for the info! On 12/26 I was admitted to the ER with with Acute "viral" necrotizing pancreatitis. Growing up in the South Pacific I had falciparum malaria about a dozen times. The Dr.'s last month all assumed I was an alcoholic, treating my pancreatitis as such. No family history of it, no injury, hardly any alcohol ever, never any fatty foods. So I was assumed to be a liar and an alcoholic.

      If you have had malaria, (which ives forever in your bone marrow) have them run a malaria test. Recent study in India shows "falciparum malaria presenting as acute necrotizing pancreatitis"

      I was in the hospital for 3 weeks, half of that on live support. Liver shut down, kidneys failed, lungs filled with fluid etc. When I was released, I was told that I am ok to resume eating a fatty diet. (I am a vegetarian BTW, don't eat meat / fatty foods).

      Just wanted to toss in my $.02. If anyone reading this has ever had a tropical disease, see a tropical disease specialist as well as your current Dr. (that you trust).

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      TapIn2U 4 years ago

      This is a serious problem we don't want to have. Thank you for the info. Sundae ;-)

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      TheHealthGuy LM 4 years ago from U.S.A.

      @anonymous: Hi Divon, first you are welcome and second - no I have never researched stem cell therapy. In fact I know as much about stem cell therapy as I do about space flight which isn't much lol.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Hey healthguy sorry it took so long to get back at your reply and i am so thankful that you did respond to my question. my pancreatitis was deemed idiopathic after an array of tests (MRCP, Abdominal ultrasounds) came back as clean as a whistle. But my GI doctor thinks it could be due to a viral infection, because around the time of my flare up i had come down with a pretty bad flu. another even odder cause my doctor thinks could have caused it would be a temporary, medicated filling i received in my molar the day before my pancreatitis attack, the doctor said that there is a sure chance i could have had an ill reaction to the medication. But i am happy to report that since my initial attack which was about 2 months ago, i have not had another and the doctor is confident that i wont, seeing as i had one of the more "milder" attacks, but he has instructed me to not over indulge in fatty foods which isnt a problem because i am a regular in the gym going around 5-6 days a week and maintain a healthy physique. He has also advised me to minimize alcohol intake for several months which i also dont mind doing for the benefit of my own health. Never was a huge drinker in the first place only drinking maybe twice a month and never anything overboard. I do however continue to think about it every day and relate any feeling of sensation in the abdominal area to the pancreatitis. i am not sure as to when ill be able to clear my mind on the issue because it scares me to think about living life under strict guidelines. But nonetheless i pray every single day and that gives me a sense of calm in the situation because i am a firm believer in god having a plan for all of us (one that doesn't involve a pancreas i hope). But there is one question i want to ask, have you done any research on stem cell therapy in the regeneration of damaged pancreatic cells? i have found a websites that offer little insight on the topic but the information seems promising.

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      TheHealthGuy LM 4 years ago from U.S.A.

      @anonymous: GTRajan as you know i can't or am not suppose to give advice about pancreatitis because I am not a doctor. I can and have told people what i personally do to avoid more attacks of acute pancreatitis and slow the progression even stop chronic pancreatitis through diet and supplements and that may or may not be right for you.

      I do not use creon but I do use a digestive enzyme product with pancreatin 4 x but if your doc has prescribed creon you be taking it as directed.

      If it were me and it has been I would do exactly what I say I do. I take grape seed extract, vitamin C and curcumin daily. It is simply a ritual I do not abstain from and I adhere to my diet.

      It is good to hear you kicked alcohol out of your life because for those of us with pancreatitis it is NOT condusive to a long life. Alcohol is highly inflammatory and toxic to a damaged pancreas.

      Good luck to you. I hope you heal.

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      anonymous 4 years ago

      Thanks for such wonderful and useful information i am 30 yrs young from India.

      I ve been diagnosed with Chronic Pancreatitis last month(Oct'2012) due to alcohol consumption .with the Impression of"Extensive smooth Dilation of pancreatic duct and its side branches"& also it is observed in MRCP that there is an intraductal lesion(8mm) in the distal most pancreatic duct.Dia of the Main pancreatic Duct ~ 10mm.

      Deliberately i am ready to lead my life w/o alcohol.Now the pain is reduced and i feel extensive pain in Back when i eat some oily or toast food.and i , As of now i am not taking any pills for pain.But during meal rarely i take Creon(10000,25000) as my Doctor advised to do so.

      Apart from this is it advisable to use the Grap seed extract & Curcumin.?

      And i m really worried and dreadful about my future.Give some heal through your valuable tips please:-)

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      TheHealthGuy LM 5 years ago from U.S.A.

      @anonymous: Divon - Dang I never get everything said at once. WHY did you have pancreatitis anyway? Do you know? That would tell you whether or not you had a chance of skating by CP. If it is due to heredity (hereditary pancreatitis) or autoimmune disease or high blood fat levels it may be very difficult to skate. Otherwise you may have a chance :-)

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      TheHealthGuy LM 5 years ago from U.S.A.

      @anonymous: Divon, there is ALWAYS a chance that you could skate by. IF you had an extremely mild case of AP your pancreas may full recover and you may never have issues again but I wouldn't count on it especially if you continue to eat like a normal person and continue to drink alcohol.

      Knowing what I know now I can only suggest you adhere to a strong anti-inflammatory, low fat diet and take supplements for 6 months to a year in order to allow your pancreas to COMPLETELY heal and my thoughts are that the chance of total healing and escape from future episodes of AP and/or progression to CP would only be good IF you have had only ONE episode of acute pancreatitis and it was extremely mild. I hope you skate!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      thanks for all of the useful information, every bit of it helps. i have a milder case of pancreatitis and at my worst was only at a 238 lipase level. since then ive drank more water than i ever have in my life in order to cleanse my organs and flush my system. my lipase in my last test was at a 130 and it feels as though it is only getting better. i have been able to eat without experiencing any pain which is relieving, i feel as though i am lucky and it is going to pass. but i am in mental terror, this condition has caused me to worry about it becoming chronic because most information sites lead you to believe once you have pancreatitis it will never subside. is there any words of wisdom you could offer me to make me feel better about this situation. i am only 20 years old and my pancreatitis is NOT alcohol induced

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      TheHealthGuy LM 5 years ago from U.S.A.

      @anonymous: Hi Anne. I am missing a bunch of comments lately (they seem to be slipping through the cracks) so I apologize for not responding sooner. Your story doesn't sound fun, sorry you have pancreatitis and autoimmune disease as well. Many women with Sjogrens also have Celiac Disease. Has your doc checked? It's amazing what Celiac Disease does. It is systemic, especially undiagnosed and uncontrolled so IF that is a problem and you go completely grain free (gluten free) you could see your reflux disappear along with many other symptoms, just saying. And an anti-inflammatory diet for pancreatitis is extremely important. There are ONLY two enemies FAT and alcohol but fats appear in medium to high amounts in almost everything except fruit, vegetables, grains and legumes. It wasn't until I started eating a diet low in fat that I began to heal, which means no beef/red meat, no pork, no lamb, no duck nor anything that is made with or contains those as ingredients (broths, soups, etc are out). No mayo, butter, margarine, no cooking oil, no oil period. Oil is fat. Fat is the enemy.

      Good luck Anne :-)

      P.S. Drink grapefruit juice. White, unsweetened grapefruit juice. Ocean Spray is a good brand with no added sugar. Garpefruit juice could do wonderful things for you, it did for me. Grapefruit juice and diet were the first steps to my healing, then I found the supplements.

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      TheHealthGuy LM 5 years ago from U.S.A.

      @anonymous: Actually there is research out that states coffee is good for those with pancreatitis. Not necessarily the caffiene but the flavonoids, antioxidants. Donuts on the other hand are full of FAT; not good.

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      TheHealthGuy LM 5 years ago from U.S.A.

      @anonymous: I wouldn't worry to much about your son playing football, just tell him to keep his head down and go in low lol. If we worry about all the things that could happen to us in life we wouldn't live life and enjoy it.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Thanks so much for this information! A thousand times more informative than most sites i've come across.I'm about to turn 24 and I have idiopathic CP. It started out as AP right after i turned 21 (no i wasn't drinking heavily), my initial attack was terrible, 2100 lipase and in the hospital for 10 days. Since then, I have been getting worse and worse. The doctors have been able to tell me absolutely nothing! I have had 3 CT scans, ultrasounds,an upper endoscopy, and an ERCP. Still nothing. My lipase levels haven't been under 200 since i've been diagnosed. I have inconsistent bowel movements and it drives me crazy. Stomach aches are the worst in the morning time but usually last all day. Does anyone know of a good gastro in the denver CO area?????? I feel like i am slowing dying. Also i have a question about coffee, I know caffeinne can't be good for people like us, but if i am not drinking any soda or anything else, do you think a cup of coffe a day would make me any worse?? Working in an office really sucks with pancreatitis - donuts always around, coffee just calling my name, sweets evvvvvvvvverywhere. My sympathy goes out to anyone else dealing with this terrible disease...

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I also have had pancreatitis since about 1979. Codeine is my saviour for pain. This latest episode is now on day 32. Yesterday I had a baked potatoe with butter and sour cream. How stupid of me. I thought I was over the worst of it, was off pain killers for two days. Wong assumption. Thank you ever so much for your blog. They do not see anything wrong on ultrasound. Pancreatitis started with Gallblader. They made me suffer with gallstones for 21 years before finally taking it out. But even after taking out my gallstones the pancreatitis has continued. I have also had kidney stones, stones in my tear ducts, stones in my saliva glands, and probably other places I don't know about. I also have Hashimotos thyroid, Sjogrens disease, Reflux esophagitis which caused me to change my diet completely, anemia - pernicius and magablastic, osteoarthritis all over controlled with steroid like injections, COPD - controlled, asthma, etc. So far I take 13 meds per day which is counting all my eyes,nose and mouth meds for Sjogrens. Never knew that Sjogrens could be a precusor to Pancreatitis. As I mentioned, I am now on day 32. Prior to this I went about 13 months without an attack which was wonderful. Obviously it was my diet that caused this latest attack. Should mention that I have also been on Mobicox an anti-inflammatory since 1998. As I am on disability I cannot afford grapdseed and others. Am hoping to get a loan from a friend soon so I can buy grapeseed, etc. Doctor recently put me on pancrease, very expensive and thank goodness covered by insurance. Pancrease is giving me lower stomach cramps, probably readjusting the bowels. I also had the fatty, greasy, stinky, floating stools. As I returned to a better stool formation, I thought the present flare up was improving. I was wrong. As mentioned I have been suffering off and on since 1979. I think my body has been regenerating the pancreas over the years or else my ultrasound would not look normal.

      Anne, Calgary, Alberta, Canada

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Wow, this is a very informative page on pancreatitis! Thank you for sharing your story, I'm sure that you are helping a lot of people suffering from the same thing. I'm happy to hear that you are still able to eat and that you're hanging in there 30 years later after the doctor told you that you would need a transplant within 10.

      My son is in 6th grade and wants to start playing football next year, this really scares me!

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      TheHealthGuy LM 5 years ago from U.S.A.

      @anonymous: Hi Annie, I am sorry that you are among those of us who have the pancreatitis pain t-shirt. Toanswer your question in regards to diet let me just say YES! It is imperative that your diet eliminates ALL acute pancreatitis triggers and allow your inflamed pancreas to heal. Your pancreas will NOT heal while you consume foods that piss it off. It is absolutely imperative to eliminate the inflammation and triggers. You can find all the things I personally have done and still do on this page and at my blog. I hope you find healing cuz being sick with AP/CP sucks.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Thank you for the information! I have suffered for along time with pain, diarreah, sweating,and fever and would get very sick and throw up. It would be over after that for about a month or two. Last year I went to the ER in excruciating pain only to be told I had acid reflux, I was angry because I knew the doctor was wrong. Also for about a week before I had this feeling in my upper parts right below my ribs I had pressure and a feeling of heaviness and not being able to catch my breath. Well i went home on pain meds and still not feeling well woke up the next morning with a sense that something bad was coming....I went to the planned family reunion pulled into the park and was hit once again with pain so bad I could not control my screaming at the ER they figured out that i had pancreatitis. I was there for 3 days and could not eat and on pain killers. I have had pains here and there since then but nothing like that. My question to you is: Do you think that following a no fat diet would benefit me or do you think i fall into that category of a sufferer. I seem to instinctivly know that another attack is waiting for me and I feel like its right around the corner. I have not went to another doc because you are right they act like its all in your head! I had my gallbladder removed 6 years ago and it took months to get anyone to listen to me about the pain until I ended up in the ER in again excruciating pain. And by the way they told me a stone had most likely blocked a duct but became disloged. Thank you

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      TheHealthGuy LM 5 years ago from U.S.A.

      @anonymous: Semper Fi Rick! Sorry to hear you too have this pancreatitis shit. Sucks don't it? No way for a warrior to tag out and be sure ya don't bro. That means stay off the booze. Watch your diet and learn the drill if ya want to live. Keep comms open, let me know how you are doing.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Semper fi! Thank you for the absolute best post on pancreatitis on the web! After spending much time researching this, and getting completely frustrated by the contradictory info available, your site is a breath of fresh air. Your experience is similar to mine. Had my first bout three years ago and went to the er where they admitted me.

      Had my second bout in February 2012, was advised to stay in the hospital. Did not! Survived. Had my third bout last week. Didn't have this advice as it would have reduced the time I spent in pain, and, boy, is this stuff painful!

      Will be implementing your suggestions about supplements.

      P.s. mine was caused by alcohol abuse, so that is totally out the window!

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      TheHealthGuy LM 5 years ago from U.S.A.

      @anonymous: Hi Vaughn, thanks for visiting and your kind words. I have to admit I have not researched for a correlation between exercise and acute pancreatitis. Obviously unless there is abdominal trauma involved a healthy person doesn't need to worry but those who have an inflamed, unhealed pancreas due to previous AP or CP may have problems. I know that when I was very ill I would get nausea from riding in the car or running/jogging - so motion did have an effect when I was sick. I had never experienced motion sickness before even on board ship in heavy seas so I KNOW it was due to pancreatitis. Once I was healed up that little problem resolved but without doing more research I can not say that exercise can cause AP in those who suffer but likewise I cannot say it would not cause AP. Let me get back to you on this when I have a more definitive answer. Take care and have a pain free day!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      This is the absolute best site on the net regarding pancreatitis, I can't thank you enough for your work and advice. My question is, I live on a farm and do a fair amount of physical work as well as play soccer on a competitive mens team. I had read that exercise is good for pancreatitis but am worried that I could possibly cause an attack by too much physical activity. Have you seen any research that shows a correlation between exercise and acute attacks ? I love playing sports but also am trying to live with minimal pain and want to find a nice balance. thanks again

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      TheHealthGuy LM 5 years ago from U.S.A.

      @TheHealthGuy LM: Nines, I spoke out of turn about naproxen. After doing some research about naproxen I found it is not quite the same as Ibuprofen. It is the same in regrad to the fact it is an NSAID like Ibuprofen but large doses of naproxen (over 500mgs) can become toxic whereas Ibuprofen, though not completely safe, is a much safer choice.

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      TheHealthGuy LM 5 years ago from U.S.A.

      @anonymous: Hi Kathy - Yes you could or can. Abdomenal trauma is a known cause of pancreatitis so let's say you are in a bad car accident and the steering whell is slammed into your gut. If that were to damage your pancreas it could result in acute pancreatitis.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      can you get Acute pancreatitis from a car aCCIDENT?

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      @anonymous: I too had this problem.Is there any improvement in your condition.I rely on yoga and health guy's diet regimen to combat this.

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      TheHealthGuy LM 5 years ago from U.S.A.

      @anonymous: Your doctor diagnosed you right the first time? THAT is a miracle! Keep him! LOL Doctors like him are hard to find! Thanks for visiting. I hope you find healing and enjoy a long, pain free life!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      THANK YOU!!!! I am a new pancreatitis patient. I have searched and researched, and I feel this is the best article yet. So much good info. I was really at a loss. Going to try everything. Will check with my doctor. He is pretty good. Diagnosed me right away on first attack. But while he made the diagnosis, I got good diet and vitamin info from your article. You are a GEM. Thanks again!!

      Deborah

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      TheHealthGuy LM 5 years ago from U.S.A.

      @anonymous: Thank you for the kind words and I am glad you have found the information useful. I hope you are able to heal and enjoy a long life!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      After many visits to doctors and months of research on net about pancreatitis

      I finally came across your lens where i could find answers to almost all my questions and problems.If grape fruit juice is serendipitous discovery for you your lens is equally serendipitous for me and many.god bless you.

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      TheHealthGuy LM 5 years ago from U.S.A.

      @anonymous: Nines, you are welcome! I am pleased to know it works for you too! I am saddened to hear you too have pancreatitis but it is exciting to know that the regimen I use to stop my acute pancreatitis attacks works for you as well. Thank you for sharing your success! I hope you find healling by using the grape seed extract, curcumin and vit C long term.

      I've never used naproxen but it is very similar to ibuprofen so it should do just as well. I only use 800mgs of Ibuprofen or 1300 mgs of aspirin to stop an acute pancreatitis attack. I don't use it as a daily thing. The grape seed, curcumin, vit C and pancreatic enzymes are a daily regimen. I wish you continued good luck and healing!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Thank for your blog & info, I started to feel an attack coming on so I quickly went o gnc and got the grape seed extract and cucumin, I also added milke thistle & multi vit, along with a liquid vit c & naproxen, used the dosage you used and OMG it seems to have shut it down!!! Thank you for sharing what worked for you! I would have never tried this!

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      TheHealthGuy LM 5 years ago from U.S.A.

      @anonymous: You are welcome Rhonda. Thanks for sharing. I hope you recover nicely from the last acute pancreatitis attack and live pain free. Keep strong!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I want to thank you for sharing all this information. When we go through the fires in our lives we often think we are the only ones experiencing the condition. Not that I wanted anyone else to go through this, but it is helpful to know that I'm not the only one. I first got pancreatitis almost 23 years ago when my son was only 2 months old. I had a galbladder attack that caused the pancreatitis. I had my galbladder removed and as far as I was aware I was on the road to recovery. I wasn't told that I most likely would have an acute pancreatitis attack any time soon. Thank God I was attack free for almost 18 years. Recently I've had several acute attacks. After reading a small portion of your story and research I started taking the Curcumin, vitamin C, and Grapeseed. However once I was completely over the pain and eating solid foods again I have made the mistake of eating meat and have ended up back on a liquid diet. I'm learning to make the changes that I need to make in order to live. Thank you so much for sharing your experiences and research.

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      TheHealthGuy LM 5 years ago from U.S.A.

      @anonymous: Hi Heidi, sorry to hear you are having pancreas difficulties. As far as I know I have had no duct blockage. I have never had surgery for pancreatitis and don't want surgery. I'm not comfortable recommending that folks should do anything because I'm not a licensed physician and do not wish to be prosecuted for practicing medicine without a license.

      What I have shared on this page is what I did and still do personally to keep as well as possible. If someone else does what I do, they do it completely at their own risk.

      I am walking a real tight rope on this page because people ask me stuff that if I answer could be construed as medical advice.

      I can not give that.

      I can only tell you what I would personally do and I have no clue what I'd do if I were in your shoes and I am even coming to the point where I hesitate to even say what I'd do because if someone does what I would do and for some reason they become worse I could be in deep shit even though everyone knows that IF they do ANYTHING I have done or still do it is at their own risk.

      I feel bad about being evasive but the laws prevent me from giving advice. I would however, if it were me, be asking the surgeon what problems or complications could arise from removing the duct and re-ducting into the intestine, if he'd let someone cut out his duct (do the surgery) and what can be expected if I were to choose not to have the surgery. I'd also want to know how many times he has personally performed the exact same surgery and what his complication ratio was.

      If your surgery happens I hope it is successful and you heal perfectly!

      Thank you for visiting.

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      Great article-I have been living with this issue since highschool: Diagnosed as everything from ulcers to allergy. (I'm 42-female) When I collapsed in pain 6 months ago & wound up in the ER the blood tests, followed by the CT finally identified it. 5 scopings later, the remedy for the complete blockage was supposed to be surgery to remove the duct, re-duct into the intestine & remove the gall bladder. I am a teacher without a job or benefits & basically broke, this was supposed to be done thru medicaid--BUT, pancreatitus is not coded under medicaid. So with only 72 hours to the surgery date, everything is on hold.

      I have been doing everything you suggest (except for the supplements) & after significant weight loss I do feel stable- but scared of the next attack.

      Was your duct blocked? Did they ever suggest surgery? My blockage is scarred over so bad they cannot remove without surgery...I am scared & if you have any input I would love to hear it.

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      TheHealthGuy LM 5 years ago from U.S.A.

      @anonymous: Hi Steve, thanks for sharing your story. Yes, I know that not all predictions of doom and gloom come to stay, good things do happen! Your story is a good indication of that. I am glad to hear your pancreatitis resolved! Good luck to you!

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      anonymous 5 years ago

      I had an attack of severe pancreatitis on January 2 while at work (I work night shift). It took the doctors several hours to determine what I had, and by that time I was totally out of it, in some sort of confused state. With the initial onset, I had no pain, just weakness and feeling that I was going into shock. I was hospitalized for 24 days, mostly because I was so confused. The doctors told my wife that if I survived, I would never work again, and that I would have years of rehab. I lost 60% of my pancreas and now I am watching what I eat. I never was a heavy drinker, and the only things that I think of that could have caused this is the chemicals I worked with when I was a chemical operator in a chlorine plant, or possibly genetic. Anyway, the doctors said that I would never work again. I was released from the hospital on January 26 and went back to a full schedule at work on Feb. 13. I am functioning at about 99% of my former ability and the weight loss and better diet has dropped my blood pressure and my cholesterol. Thank goodness I live fairly close to one of the good hospitals that know how to deal with this. The first hospital I was at said that I would be sure to die if they did not transfer me the 70 miles to the good hospital, and thankfully they got that transfer done in time. I just wanted to tell my little story and to let people know that a prediction of death or doom does not always come true.